Talk:Waitangi crown

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron talk 21:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the Royal Mint reportedly shipped rare silver coins to New Zealand in unsecured bags, claiming no indications were given that precautions were necessary? Source: "The crowns had been sent in mint bags without any protective covering and as a result many of them were found to have bag marks on receipt. The Royal Mint responded to this criticism by saying that no indication had been given that the crowns were intended for collectors or that special precautions were considered necessary.", Humble, Michael (Dec 1992). "The Waitangi Proof Set Revisited". New Zealand Numismatic Journal (70): 13–17. https://www.rnsnz.org.nz/collector-info/journals/
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Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 07:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Waitangi crown; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Will review later. —Panamitsu (talk) 01:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
• @Generalissima: Hook is interesting, and matches source and article. Everything about the article looks good, including the images which are correctly licensed. QPQ is not needed. Everything looks good, happy to approve. —Panamitsu (talk) 08:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
  • @Generalissima and Panamitsu: looks like the quote doesn't appear in the article? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
    • It's on page 14 of Journal #70, right at the bottom of the page. I realize that is a slight paraphrase though, so feel free to modify it if that is the issue. Generalissima (talk) 02:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Removed quote in lieu of proper paraphrasing.Generalissima (talk) 19:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Schminnte (talk · contribs) 17:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll take this one from WP:CUP/REV. Expect comments soonish. All the best, Schminnte ^{[talk to me]} 17:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Generalissima: review is now completed, feel free to address new points whenever. Seeing as there's not much to do here, I'm not sure if an official hold is needed. Just some copyediting to do. Schminnte ^{[talk to me]} 19:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Schminnte: Copyediting complete! Generalissima (talk) 19:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Generalissima: a few points still not done. After the lede is expanded a bit, missed lang tags added, infobox is cited and the final copyedits are done, I will be happy to pass this. Schminnte ^{[talk to me]} 22:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Schminnte: Ope, missed that. Infobox should be fully cited in-text and lang tags added now. Generalissima (talk) 23:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and the lede. Generalissima (talk) 23:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Generalissima: happy with changes now. I'll pass this. Schminnte ^{[talk to me]} 16:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Comments

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   As with last time, {{lang}} templates for non-english words would be a boon for accessibility - S

   I still see some terms without tags (e.g Pākehā) - S

   Lede could make more mention of certain designers, just so it touches on all major sections - S

   Copyedits:

   §Lede

   hyphenate five-shilling - S

   wl Constitution - S

   a wl for USD might be nice for those unfamiliar with the acronym - S

   §Background

   Treaty of Waitangi can be linked again]] - S

   This new portrait was adapted from an older portrait designed by Bertram Mackennal featured on other British colonial coinage: needs a connective before "featured" - S

   §Inception

   in October, 1933,: commas not needed, date commas are only needed for mdy constructions - S

   in January, 1934, as above - S

   §Design

   This design was possibly inspired from: should this be "inspired by"? - S

   18th century British hyphenate 18th-century as it is being used as an adjective - S

   clean shaven should be hyphenated - S

   he additionally suggested that the crown motif be shrunk down, and that Nene's cloak be replaced with a topless outfit featuring a piupiu. not seeing a need for a comms, still a single point - S

   Coates reviewed the coinage, but was still disappointed by the figures' legs and requested revisions. as above - S

   Chief Nene's pipiu was raised misspelt and needs italics - S

   comprimise: compromise?

   with a misspelled "‘WITANGI" above the motif as with caption, reduce from all caps - S

   §Release

   in letter to in a letter to - S

   The first order of single crown pieces were shipped to New Zealand "was shipped to" - S

   §Legacy

   This looks generally fine - S

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Sources appear to be reliable and located in an appropriate reference section - S

   Earwigs gives this a low copyvio score, see below for some spotchecks:

   Ref 2 (NZ MoJ 2023): pass for verifiability and copyvio - S

   Ref 3 (Matthews 2003): pass for verifiability and copyvio - S

   Ref 5 (NZ Parliament 1933): pass for verifiability and copyvio - S

   Ref 7 (Stocker 2005): pass for verifiability and copyvio - S

   Ref 11 (Humble 1992): pass for verifiability and copyvio - S

   Infobox needs citations or in-text attribution, all other prose seems to have proper cites - S

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Covers all major aspects satisfactorily - S

   Stays on-topic throughout, background is clearly relevant and prose has no tangents - S

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   The lede states Although criticised by contemporary collectors and numismatists, which I'm unsure on. Presumably this is glossing There was a general apathy and lack of public interest towards the coin and The first order of single crown pieces were shipped to New Zealand within unsecured mint bags, resulting in scratching and bag marks on many of the coins. Complaints by the High Commission.... I don't see how this works, as for the first quote this isn't explicitly criticism, and for the second this isn't directly about the coins - S

   Getting there, but I still think generally unpopular at release is an incorrect gloss of general apathy and lack of public interest. Unpopular suggests a negative emotion towards the coin, apathy suggests no emotion whatsoever - S

   Much better now - S

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   No edit warring viable. Fairly stable, with minor copyedits still occurring. Nothing big enough to make me question what revision I'm reviewing - S

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   File:1935 New Zealand Crown, Obverse, Proof.png & File:1935 New Zealand Crown, Reverse, Proof.png: Licensed correctly, caption not needed. I took the liberty of making the URLs more specific - S

   File:Tamati Waka Nene, by Gottfried Lindauer.jpg: PD, caption is fine - S

   File:Gordon Coates, 1926.jpg: PD, caption is fine but could be more descriptive to show significance at a glance. Maybe something about his role with the Coinage Committee? - S

   Additionally, File:Gordon Coates.jpg is a closer date to the minting and arguably better quality. Not GACR but just mentioning - S

   File:New Zealand Crown Design, Kruger Gray, 1933.png: PD based on crown copyright. Not sure if Model by Kruger Gray off a sketch by Berry, featuring the misspelling "WITANGI" is actually a complete sentence; I'm inclined to remove the period. Bit of a gut feeling: thoughts? - S

   Non GACR: per MOS:CONFORM "WITANGI" should be taken out of ALLCAPS - S

   File:Mercury Joining the Hands of Britain and France, 1787-1790, Wedgwood Pottery, Burslem, solid blue jasper on white relief with wood and gilt frame - Art Institute of Chicago - DSC09819.JPG: Correct PD with good caption - S

   Non GACR: is there any reason to not include this on the right hand side? I see no sandwiching on my screen, could just be me - S

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Made some edits according to your feedback so far. Ty very much! Generalissima (talk) 23:04, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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