Talk:West Indies cricket team

West Indies v Windies discussions

Page move to Windies?

I think this needs discussion, WP:COMMONNAME is in effect here. I have started discussion at WT:CRIC Spike 'em (talk) 13:53, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

With the new rebrand should the name be changers to Windies cricket team? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.123.158 (talk) 21:03, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

as per the above, this is under discussion at WT:CRIC#West Indies cricket team Spike 'em (talk) 17:11, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

All international tv graphics are now using the term “Windies” instead of West Indies and only the name “Windies” is now on the team strip. I think we need to have another look at this as how can it be appropriate time and article named as the “West Indies” when the term is now rapidly being discontinued. (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:E9C0:32F7:19E7:83F4 (talk) 07:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC))

I had a look on cricinfo and the first article I saw said "Is the West Indies v Scotland match a knockout?" ICC front page has score of current game with "West Indies", though some of their articles refer to Windies. Could you provide some evidence that Windies is "the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources" as per WP:COMMONNAME Spike 'em (talk) 11:59, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Replacing West Indies with Windies in body of article

As people keep editing the article (without going as far as moving the page) and others keep reverting, I think we need to have consensus to change in the article. The team has historically been called "West Indies" and seems to still be referred to as such in most (but not all) media. BBC and ESPN Cricinfo both still use "West Indies", Sky seems to have mixture (team page is still West Indies, reports refer to Windies). ICC generally uses the official name, but rankings still uses West Indies. As mentioned above, WP:CRIC consensus is still to use West Indies (last discussed WT:CRIC#West Indies cricket team). Before changing article again, please discuss here first. Spike 'em (talk) 16:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

In the latest series against England the West Indies are being referred to by the local tv as the “Windies” (2A02:C7F:5622:2000:34B2:DA9D:FAC9:E850 (talk) 14:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC))

We really need to settle this issue before the Cricket World Cup is held in a few months time in England, I personally think the time has now come to change the article to “Windies” rather than the “West Indies” although it does appear that the term “West Indies” is still used but only for geographical terms only and I think this is the distinction that has to be set apart, teams tour the West Indies but play the “Windies” as a example. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 08:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC))

Just to add even more fuel to the debate on https://www.windiescricket.com the team is referred to as “Windies”. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 08:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC))

The website has been like that for 18 months, and whilst the official name may be Windies, from what I can see most major sources still call the team West Indies, so that is what the Common Name is. I tend to use British news sources, so it may be that it is different in other regions. A brief check on the current match had Cricinfo, BBC and Guardian all using West Indies. Spike 'em (talk) 09:15, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Casting the net wider, these 3 Indian papers still use West Indies Times of India, The Hindu and The Indian Express. In Australia : The Age and The Australian both still use West Indies. Spike 'em (talk) 11:03, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

And the first source when I searched for Barbados, Trindidad and Jamaican newspapers : Nation News (Barbados),Trinidad Express, Jamaica Observer all use West Indies. Spike 'em (talk) 11:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Well does it matter who uses what if the West Indies call themselves the “Windies” especially on their own website then surly that is reason enough to change the name of the article? (2A02:C7F:5622:2000:D87F:AA72:7DFB:482F (talk) 12:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC))

Yes it does matter: wikipedia policy is use the commonly recognised name, not the official name. If the WP:NAMECHANGES then we wait and see if this comes into common usage. Spike 'em (talk) 13:07, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 9 February 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per snowball clause I advise the nominator to please check relevant archives before nominating in future. This and this both seem to suggest that the consensus is that the article should be titled "West Indies" as opposed to "Windies". Consensus can change, but you will make a much more convincing case if you provide the pertinent evidence based on the arguments made in these previous discussions, for example, it appears that the community is almost unanimous in holding that common name, not the official name is what matters. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 14:22, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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West Indies cricket team → Windies cricket team – Officially now the team is called the “Windies” although geographically they are still referred to at the West Indies but because they are officially branded as the Windies I move that the article should be renamed as much especially in time for the 2019 Cricket World Cup in England although that in it self is not the main reason. I can see there has been informal discussion on this for the last eighteen months on this and it’s now time for a formal and official discussion. 2A02:C7F:5622:2000:E583:FB32:ED78:ED8E (talk) 09:20, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose the BBC, ESPNcricinfo, Barbados Today, Jamaica Gleaner and Wisden all still use "West Indies". I've yet to find a major publication which consistently and exclusively uses "Windies". Harrias ^talk 09:50, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not much evidence of commonplace contemporary usage, as Harrias says. And the historic aspect is also important: there have been cricket teams operating as the "West Indies" for more than a century, and their name shouldn't be discarded for a rebranding that may well prove ephemeral. Maybe raise it again if the upcoming World Cup changes the currency of the name. Johnlp (talk) 10:10, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - Branding the team "the Windies" seems likely to be a short-term fad. I suspect that in a couple of years time the name will have fallen out of use. It would also be out of line with the names of all the other Test playing nations (yes, I know that the WI aren't a nation). But setting up a redirect from "the Windies" would be sensible, if one does not already exist. JH (talk page) 10:15, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Per all the above. The match previews for today's Test from Cricinfo and the BBC use the West Indies. The ECB uses "Windies" but only in the title of the article, with West Indies used in the body. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 10:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - How a team chooses to brand itself is none of our concern. We don't have New Zealand national rugby union team at All Blacks, so why would we use the term "Windies" here? – PeeJay 11:49, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Oooh, that's a great example. Will make a note of that for future use. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose As per my comments in discussion above on 26th Jan, most media outlets in multiple countries still use "West Indies" and WP:COMMONNAME is preferred to WP:OFFICIALNAME. My observation is that those organisations that do use "Windies" are those who have commercial / contractual relationships with the board / team (official broadcasters / other cricketing authorities) Spike 'em (talk) 12:18, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Not entirely a WP:RS, but Jason Holder is currently in the Sky commentary box, and is referring to his team as "West Indies". Spike 'em (talk) 18:51, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for all the reasons mentioned above. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:49, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for all of the reasons other people have mentioned. If it's still the name that Cricket West Indies wants to officially go by in a few years time then maybe think about it again then, but frankly it's a silly name anyway. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. I am not seeing the evidence of "Windies" being used in reliable sources, quite the contrary actually. – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:10, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Member since

Hello,

For each of 16 members, I look for since when the member is member. And if there are ancient members or members left then returned in Windies.

Thanks

GabrieL (talk) 20:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

In the article, there is the sentence: "In their early days in the 1930s, the side represented the British colonies that would later form the West Indies Federation plus British Guiana." so when were British Virgin Islands, Sint Maarten, and US Virgin Islands integrated the team? and when did Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands leave the team? GabrieL (talk) 12:59, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Nobody has the answer? Even 3 years later? GabrieL (talk) 12:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Squad

The squad section is hopelessly out of date. Numerous players who played within the last year (e.g. Shai Hope, Jahmar Hamilton) are nowhere to be seen.Mirza Ahmed (talk) 06:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Bermuda

I don't follow cricket so I take it that Bermuda was before part of the Windies (2007 catch by the big guy - I forget his name - in the World Cup). There should be some mention of Bermuda here. Mayumashu (talk) 01:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Proposing a Name Change of This Article

Hello. I propose a name change of this article to "West Indies national cricket team". My reason is that West Indies is a place (geographically) and is, therefore, a nation as well. This is why I propose a name change. Thank you. Shooting Spirit 007 (talk) 10:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

West Indies is not a nation, and "nation" is a completely different concept than "place"Spike 'em (talk) 00:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Belize in West Indian cricket

Why is Belize not considered to include their cricketers as part of the West Indies team? I have visited Belize on numerous occasions and have talked with and played with many of the rural cricketers there. There are many talented youth that just need guidance, support, resources to get to the next level. DMVBay123 (talk) 14:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)