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Incident in Hyde Park

I re-wrote this section in regards to the incident in Hyde Park. I felt that the neutrality of this section wasn't neutral, especially along the lines of 'Students successfully raised awareness regarding police brutality' The IPCC investigation hasn't been resolved as yet, and the section implied that West Yorkshire had been heavy handed BNC85 20:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Incident in Hyde Park

I think this should be removed. Is it the only incident the West Yorkshire police have been investigated for? If not, why is it the only one mentioned? There are far more important incidents in the force's history - the Chapeltown riots, Manningham riots and the controversy over the Yorkshire Ripper investigation for example. Furthermore, there is no reference to what the actual incident was, what the complaints were about or anything. User:nebbish 10.46, 8 August 2007

Yeah - I agree it should be removed. I think it was originally posted after the incident when emotions were rife. As of yet, I've not heard anything in regards to the IPCC outcome. The University of Leeds issued a formal statement saying that if any of the UoL students were to be found to have acted in a manner that would have disgraced the University, then they would be punished - not the police! But yeah, I'm up for removal. BNC85 14:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Former Police Divisions

It was a labour of love but I managed to collate information regarding the former police divisions using the Web Archive website (www.archive.org) and the 'Way Back When' machine. There were mentions of the former 'Toller Lane Division' and 'Bradford Central' divisions on one of the Bradford pages, however, I didn't have any links or dates, so these pre-2000 divisions haven't been included. If anyone has any other divisions, please feel free to add them! I've also tidied up the photos of Otley and Millgarth, they seemed to be orphaned randomly on the page before, but hopefully now it looks neater in a gallery. BNC85 (talk) 13:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The Sir Jimmy Savile OBE Affair???

According to published media reports in the UK Savile was ALLEGED to have sexually molested and raped 450-1350 children over a 50 year period. Yet the West Yorkshire Police Service has claimed it never received any reports about Savile, who was born and lived in Leeds throughout his life, except about a missing pair of Savile's eyeglasses a few months before the entertainer's death. Is the English Conspiracy theorist David Icke correct that there is a vast paedophile network operating in the UK and that it reaches well up into the police, Parliament, and the Royal Family??? How does the West Yorkshire Police Service explain its own appalling deficiencies if the reports are indeed correct??? Is there any kind of special investigation into the operating procedures of the WYPS being conducted by the Home Office and/or a Commons Special Select Committee??? If so, when will the report be published??? These are the kinds of answers I am looking for when I come to Wikipedia to research an issue. Thanks.johncheverly 14:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

This article is not for discussing specific case details we have articles covering the Jimmy Savile case which is more appropriate for discussing these things. Keith D (talk) 18:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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killed in line of duty

Do we really need a list of non notable KIA officers? Wikipedia is not a memorial.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree that we don't need it, especially seeing as how there is a List of British police officers killed in the line of duty. It may need a wider audience though, as 31 out of the 39 articles about county police forces in England have a KIA/Roll of Honour section, though that could be they were created by the same author and he/she replicated the article layout for each article (or is there a style guide on how to write Police articles that states it needs an inclusion?). The joy of all things (talk) 13:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I disagree, especially in relation to officers killed in the line of duty. In the United Kingdom this is still a fairly rare and each one will be national news at the time - therefore notable. There will be relatively few for each individual force so I think the lists on each force should stay. Most (if not all) will be linked to a significant regional/national event that most people in the UK will be aware of or have heard of. The death will also have a profound impact on the organisation (as they are so relatively rare). My vote is the lists should stay (for those officers killed in the line of duty). Bowchaser (talk) 15:46, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

First off, Bowchaser much thanks goes to you for reverting the vandalism on the page. Right, I can actually see, and I do acknowledge, your point of view. However, as I pointed out above, we do have a List of British police officers killed in the line of duty which readers could go to to get the information about those who have died. This article is eminently more searchable because the fields within it are sortable, so if a reader might have a partial name, or vague geographical area, it saves them having to sort through lots of other articles. That article though, needs some work as it lists 248 dead police officers, with only 37 with an actual wikilink to an article about said death (that's 15%). You claim that "Most (if not all) will be linked to a significant regional/national event that most people in the UK will be aware of or have heard of", but in the West Yorkshire article, that is only two out of 15 listings, and from the others that I looked through, the results are pretty much the same. (These numbers are quite rough and I am prepared to be corrected).

Happy to discuss further, but I imagine some of these listings could be fleshed out into a more-rounded article, but as it stands, the notability is not there for some of them because no article exists, which is not saying that their death, or their sacrifice in some cases, is not notable in itself; just not wikinotable. (PC Charles John Skevington, 1955 (fatally injured when his vehicle crashed during a police pursuit) for example; tragic, but not wikinotable. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

No worries with your point of view which I understand totally. However, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe there has to be an article for something to be notable? Perhaps they are just not written yet. If I had the time or knowledge (or some would say writing ability!) I would try and correct the lack of articles in relation to the deaths in line of duty - there are a few I've noted that are lacking/not written yet. I should clarify that I am only concerned that police officer deaths in the line of duty should be within wikipedia, not all deaths in service (which runs to, I think, about 4,000). So, an officer who is killed whilst stopping a crime/apprehending a criminal or saving someones life would almost certainly be notable in the UK (i.e. national news) and would probably be within scope for an article in itself (circumstances, trial, post event, public/media reaction, changes to policy/practise as a result etc etc). Just because somebody has not got round to writing that article yet does not, I think mean we delete the lists, (possibly focus them more to deaths in the line of duty instead of all deaths in service?). I also think, as these lists are quite small for most individual forces, I think it is quite proper that they are shown on the police force article - these are very very significant events for these organisations and I would argue, notable to anyone reading about West Yorks Police for example. I do not, however, think that all deaths in service should be part of wikipedia - i.e. officer tragically killed in an RTA on a blue light run to an emergency etc. These officers are quite correctly remembered in such places as the National Police Role of Honour/Rememberance. I hope this makes sense and sounds reasonable? Bowchaser (talk) 19:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay, real life getting in the way! I think we are getting somewhere; I think that we can at least agree on some points, and the main one is that ALL listings need a reliable cite to prove notability (and not the Police Roll of Honour, something secondary or tertiary). I could be wrong, but the fire service articles do not list their deaths on duty (perhaps the lists would be just too small for inclusion?), so why just the police? Is it because so many more of them have died/been killed on duty? As it stands, we are the only ones involved in this and so we have an impasse (User:Dlohcierekim seems to have gone quiet on the issue) and if a consensus was reached to remove, that would have far-reaching ramifications beyond this article as it would then surely apply to all police articles in the UK?

So, lets compromise and work to see that all listings are reliably cited, no? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I will start with the W.Yorks list as this is where the discussion started. I'll go back in time to the most ancient one on the list and start there. Real life may mean I may be some time too! Regards Bowchaser (talk) 08:40, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Ta. I did North Yorkshire last night. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Removal of Former Divisions section

The Former Divisions section contains a level of detail that simply isn't needed in the article. A few sentences maybe to summaries previous structures but not something amounting to half the size of the article. My proposal would be to delete most of it. 10mmsocket (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I would agree. This level of detail would normally be found in a detailed history of a force (if at all) but not a general encylopedic article such as this. Adds very little for the general reader. Bowchaser (talk) 08:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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