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Aetheling

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Wouldn't "Aetheling" actually be either "Son of a Noble" or "Little Noble"? Ameise -- chat 09:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Recent move

Latest comment: 5 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

I am not definitely against this recent move, but it is potentiall controversial and it seems to have been taken without discussion. Why? PatGallacher (talk) 13:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

I've never before seen him called Adelin rather than A[e]theling. —Tamfang (talk) 08:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

I am still wondering about this. Why would an English Prince of French and Scottish blood have his article titled with a Germanic word? I cannot imagine that anyone would search for this person under "William Adelin," nor can I find any contemporary or historic references to him under this name. But maybe I am just uninformed and someone can point me to them. IMO this article should be moved back to William Aetheling. Can we have discussion on this? History Lunatic (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)History LunaticReply

Illegitimate children cannot succeed

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Henry had an "abundance of ...illegitimate children, .... but for various reasons none were chosen". Of course not. Illegitimate children cannot succeed.203.80.61.102 (talk) 21:20, 1 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

William the Conqueror was the illegitimate son of Robert I, Duke of Normandy, but he was able to succeed his father. Dimadick (talk) 10:33, 4 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, they put up with all those meddlesome priests, so they could work miracles when matters of state so required.
--JerzyA (talk) 06:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Marriage

Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

There is no mention of marriage, and only a passing reference to a wife. This should be rectified.203.80.61.102 (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Ancestry

Latest comment: 8 days ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I suggest this variant ancestry of him:

Ancestors of William Adelin^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

16. Richard II, Duke of Normandy^[10]

8. Robert I, Duke of Normandy^[8]

17. Judith of Brittany^[10]

4. William the Conqueror^[2]^[7]

18. Fulbert of Falaise^[10]

9. Herleva of Falaise^[8]

19. Doda or Duxia?

2. Henry I of England^[2]^[3]^[6]

20. Baldwin IV, Count of Flanders

10. Baldwin V, Count of Flanders^[2]^[9]

21. Ogive of Luxembourg

5. Matilda of Flanders^[2]^[7]

22. Robert II of France^[11]

11. Adela of France, Countess of Flanders^[2]^[9]

23. Constance of Arles^[11]

1. William Adelin of Normandy^[1]^[5]^[3]^[6]

24. Crínán of Dunkeld^[6]^[8]

12. Duncan I of Scotland^[3]^[7]^[7]

25. Bethóc^[6]^[8]

6. Malcolm III of Scotland^[3]^[7]^[8]

26. Siward, Earl of Northumbria?^[8]

13. Suthen (also Sibylla?)^[7]

27. Ælfflæd or Godgifu?^[8]

3. Matilda of Scotland^[2]^[3]^[7]

28. Edmund II Ironside^[3]^[12]

14. Edward the Exile^[3]^[9]

29. Ealdgyth^[3]^[12]

7. Saint Margaret of Scotland^[3]^[7]^[8]

15. Agatha^[9]

Dmitry Azikov (talk) 10:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

The important bits of the ancestry are already in the article - who his father was. The rest of it isn't useful to understanding the life of William Adelin. Again - I point to WP:NOTGENEALOGY. We are not a genealogical work and should not present such information when biographies of the subject do not do so. And again, many of these works are not very reliable - Weis and Burke are not good sources for this information. Ealdgyth (talk) 12:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

So I don't plan now to add it to article, it is my an alternative variant which can be seen here in talk page, yes I can also take a good source from there Dmitry Azikov (talk) 14:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

^ ^a ^b Chibnall 1991, p. ix
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage and Companionage, pp 26, 32
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j Oram, David, p. 10 Cite error: The named reference "<ref2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 118, 123, 157, 161–162
^ A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage and Companionage, pp 26, 32
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 118, 123 Cite error: The named reference "<ref3" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161 Cite error: The named reference "<ref4" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162 Cite error: The named reference "<ref5" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 157 Cite error: The named reference "<ref7" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b ^c Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 118
^ ^a ^b Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 105, 109, 142
^ ^a ^b Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 2

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[<ref-1] Chibnall 1991, p. ix

[<ref1-2] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage and Companionage, pp 26, 32

[<ref2-3] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j Oram, David, p. 10 Cite error: The named reference "<ref2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[4] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 118, 123, 157, 161–162

[<re1-5] A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage and Companionage, pp 26, 32

[<ref3-6] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 118, 123 Cite error: The named reference "<ref3" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[<ref4-7] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161 Cite error: The named reference "<ref4" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[<ref5-8] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162 Cite error: The named reference "<ref5" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[<ref7-9] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 157 Cite error: The named reference "<ref7" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[<ref8-10] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 118

[<ref9-11] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 105, 109, 142

[<ref6-12] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 2

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