Talk:Wilson's Heart (House)

Various medical info

Just a few points; I might make these edits later:

- It's Huntington's Chorea, not "Cholera." - If I understood correctly, Amber couldn't filter the pills b/c of the kidney damage in the accident, not because it was a particularly high dosage. I might be wrong, though.

Scot0127 (talk) 03:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

No, you're correct. The drug she was on was Amantadine, which is an antiviral (with antiparkinsonic properties to boot) that has some particularly toxic side-effects if mis-used, or in Ambers case, if left in the body instead of being metabolized and filtered out. The reason the dialysis would have been pointless is because, like House stated, it bonds with protein. Kidneys could take care of that, but a dialysis machine can't as it's only a crude filter by comparison, designed as a stop-gap in the case of renal disease or renal failure. She "overdosed" not by taking too many, but by virtue of the drug hanging around and not exiting her system. And with the amount of organ damage she'd sustained as a result of the crash AND as a result of the toxicity of the drug, she wouldn't have been able to get any transplants. 124.148.41.66 (talk) 11:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Amantadine is poorly cleared by dialysis, and there have been deaths reported on the medication. The dose for the flu is 100MG twice a day. The only size pill Amantadine comes in is 100MG, so Amber taking two means that she was overdosing herself on itOutofyourelement (talk) 20:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

This is probably nothing, but there is a bit of symmetry with the end of last season, when House turns off the blood filtration machine, the woman's heart is still beating, and here Amber dies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.176.194 (talk) 06:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

That's not a "blood filtration machine", that's a cardiopulmonary bypass machine. Essentially, her heart is no longer working correctly, so they are pumping the blood through a series of chambers designed to "scrub" the CO2 from her venous blood, oxygenate it, and then shunt it back into her arteries. Quite a nifty machine, but as with all mechanical substitutes for natural organs, woefully inefficient. They use them in things like bypass surgery and transplantation. 124.148.41.66 (talk) 11:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Made a minor edit. The article mentioned they analyzed Amber's "EKG" to determine the disease had spread to her brain. That was incorrect - an EKG/ECG measures electrical activity in the cardiac muscle. The actual (correct) diagnostic readout they analyzed was her EEG which measures electrical activity in the brain. I also added the correct reason House entered a coma - cerebral haemmorhage caused by a widening skull fracture, indirectly caused by a complex partial seizure. I changed the wording of "undergoes a ventricular fibrillation" to "suffers a..." as the original wording made it sound more like a diagnostic procedure than an actual serious medical problem. Someone had also referred to amantadine as a symptomatic relief or palliative treatment, when in reality it's an antiviral drug, designed to help fight the infection itself. Paracetamol/acetaminophen, tea and bedrest would be symptomatic relief. So I amended that as well. 124.148.41.66 (talk) 11:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ugh. On further inspection there's a heap of grammatical errors, as well as some very awkward wording. I'm not in the mood to go through and edit all the faults out. If someone else can do that, but leave my factual edits intact, that'd be much appreciated. 124.148.41.66 (talk) 11:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I am just wondering why they couldn't give Amber other plasma-binding drugs to compitatively expell the amantadine from its bond to the albumin. This is done in other cases of poisoning as well. The other way would be giving drugs that antagonize the effects of the amantadine until it has been eliminated. --131.220.136.195 (talk) 12:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

She was in multiple systems failure by the time they discovered the amantadine. She didn't have any systems running that could have metabolized or eliminated the toxins. Adding more medications to that may have just increased the toxic effect on her system. Plus, it made for a much more dramatic storyline if she died :P 124.148.41.66 (talk) 12:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, the second one is the point. But normally it should have been possible to antagonize the toxins. Dialysis wouldn't have worked with the albumin bound drugs, but because of the compitative bonding to the plasma proteins it should have been possible to get the amantadine off the albumin with relatively harmless protein binding drugs, and the filtering it out by dialysis. The same kind of mechanism is used in methanol poisoning: giving a high dose of ethanol prevents the methanol from being processed to toxic formaldehyde by the alcohol dehydroxygenase, so that it will leave the body unmetabolized.

But as you said: the storyline demanded her death. --91.55.62.213 (talk) 21:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Wilson & House at the end of episode

Just wondering, should the part where Wilson waiting for House to wake up be added into the summary? It seemed like Wilson wanted House to see that he was pissed that his friend lived while Amber died, because he didn't go over to his friend or seem happy that at least his best friend survived. I think it would show that their relationship has been strained, if not, damaged. Sorry if this bit of mine doesn't make sense. Facebookery (talk) 15:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It is relevant, but for different reasons I believe. Despite all the distress cause by the loss of Amber, and despite the fact that (we assume) he partially blames House for her death, Wilson was still concerned for House's well-being. He wanted to see if he was alright, but was unable to express more than the most basic level of concern. Also worthy of consideration is the fact that Wilson may have been slowly coming to terms with the fact that if House died, Wilson would be partially to blame, due to the fact that he "guilted" House into the electro-stimulation. Mrfridays (talk) 16:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The most important fact is, that House was near death twice and survived while Amber died. It would have been a strange season 5 if House died at this point. --91.55.62.213 (talk) 21:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Not only would it be strange, but it is kind of hard to call your show "House" when the main character that the show is named after is dead. Soccernamlak (talk) 23:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that this would necessarily mean the end of the show. After all, they could do a prequel season. Assimilateur (talk) 11:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

One word - Taggart! 92.22.24.189 (talk) 19:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Change

A quick Google search shows that 'change' has also been used as a slogan by Hillary Clinton, John McCain, and other politicians from the Democratic and Republican parties. We should not assume it was a necessarily or only a reference to Barack Obama. The wall of a public lavatory is usually a place for insults, not endorsements.

Change, yes. The exact phrase "Vote for Change" was the name of Obama's voter registration campaign, not to mention that both Olivia Wilder and Kal Penn are active campaigners for Obama. 98.223.170.167 (talk) 05:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

"Ready for Change" has been a Hillary slogan since Summer 2007. And why did you insert your comment in the middle of mine?FC (talk) 21:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Change has arguably been the major theme of the show since the third season finale.FC (talk) 04:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

All of this is generally moot because it's original research. Source that the sticker was a reference to Obama (or Clinton, or even Ron Paul), or remove it. 171.71.37.203 (talk) 21:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Pretty sure I edited the article to reflect both the possibility of it being an endorsement and it being an insult, so readers could draw their own conclusions. You nerds changed it, and even though "Change" is most likely a reference, positive or negative, to Barack Obama's campaign, since none of us are David Shore, or whoever wrote this particular episode, it's safe to assume we do not know for sure (Clarification for idiots: sure = 100% proven fact, ie: a source like a props list stating barack obama campaign sticker or etc.) whose campaign it refers to and if it is a negative or positive reference. As such I agree with the comment above mine that without a source to confirm and stop the political pissing contest over who it refers to and the negative or positive reference arguement the paragraph should be removed. 69.254.55.104 (talk) 20:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree; while I often enjoy the cultural references, they are usually original research or synthesis and lend themselves to varying interpretations among editors. But you seem to have major problems maintaining civility. There are more important things to get angry about, like people who mistake "loose" for "lose" and people who drive minivans. (But maybe that's just me). --Fletcher (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Grammar

I'm constantly frustrated by well-meaning editors who, after inserting their bit of information, leave a trail of blatant grammatical errors. To fix these errors, sometimes I may have to remove entire sentences, or risk making the article too fragmented or long-winded - and I just don't have the heart to do that. (I mean, edits are welcomed, but please, match the level of the article - don't jump between first and third person, and don't add in quotations in the plot summary - and by that I don't mean putting phrases like "but they say no, it's too dangerous". It sounds like a third grader wrote that.) Bockbockchicken (talk) 14:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Rolling Stones reference

I added a remark on Amber's Rolling Stones Quote in the coma dream. I think its important, or at least interesting, as House quoted the same song the very first episode when Cuddy tries to make him catch up on his clinic duties. Later in the episode Cuddy quotes the song again saying something like "if you try, you get what you need".152.3.80.224 (talk) 05:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It's been a pretty recurring theme throughout the series. That song is also played at the end of the Season 3 premier.--Emgee1129 (talk) 03:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Song Question

What is the song that is playing while the team says goodbye to Amber (not the Iron & Wine song, and not the song on the bus) but when Thirteen hugs her and Taub "kisses" he forehead?--Emgee1129 (talk) 03:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I figured it out.--Emgee1129 (talk) 03:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Removal of sourced information

Since TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) refuses to discuss differences of opinion on talk pages, and I don't wish to edit war by repeatedly reverting his edits, I am opening up discussion here. I believe removal of sourced information is inappropriate, even if mentioned in another article, and even if TenPoundHammer disputes that a source is reliable. It should be discussed here, per WP:CON as well as common courtesy. Cresix (talk) 18:40, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

• The sources in this article were Firefox News, which was written by a 30-year-old stay at home mom with no journalistic cred. It was tagged as possibly unreliable since January 2009. The other source was Polite Dissent, a personal blog — I can't see how either of these website are in any way reliable sources. With these unreliable sources removed, the only sourced info is Nielsen numbers from TV by the Numbers. I've been unable to find any other reliable sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 18:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Please wait for others to comment rather than instantly reverting. Cresix (talk) 18:38, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

• Fair enough, I will since I'm obviously creating a dispute. Also, re Firefox News, this clearly spells out the site's lack of reliability. It's pretty much open to anyone who can operate a computer keyboard and form coherent sentences; the fact that they make an egregious grammatical error ("sort've") is only icing on the cake. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 18:39, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Notability tag

I think that “Wilson’s Heart” definitely deserves an article; however, given the paucity of information in the existing one, perhaps it should be merged with “House’s Head”.—Quick and Dirty User Account (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 29 June 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: As per consensus, and to maintain consistency, the page has been moved to Wilson's Heart (House). —usernamekiran(talk) 20:14, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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Wilson's Heart → Wilson's Heart (House) – In April 2017, a video game also called Wilson's Heart has been released for which I have created a page: Wilson's Heart (video game). I think there are several reasons why this topic is not the primary topic and should therefore be moved to a disambiguation name:

• This page is about an episode of a TV show, so I would not expect the general audience to look for this page very often. This is more for followers of the show.
• The game has received a decent amount of media coverage, e.g. an own segment by Conan O'Brien: [1]
• Looking at the page view statistics for this page, see e.g. [2], makes me think that since April a lot of page views for this page come from people who are looking for the game.

Spike (talk) 11:07, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support as nom says. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• Comment – should the target page be Wilson's Heart (House episode) instead? I see WP:NCTV provides examples following both formats. V2Blast (talk) 06:15, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I had noticed that all other disambiguated House episodes use the format "<episode name> (House)", so I wanted to be consistent; see e.g., Paternity (House) or Love Hurts (House). But of course I have no problem with Wilson's Heart (House episode). Spike (talk) 07:17, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support move to Wilson's Heart (House episode). The only example at NCTV of the shorter version is The Sting (Futurama). Note that the series Futurama is the primary topic of that term, where House is certainly not. NCTV needs clarifying on this point IMO. Depending on the result of this RM, I will raise it on the appropriate talk page, and I guess the other House articles may need to move too to the more recognisable disambiguator. Andrewa (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. Too soon. This is a very recent video game, and no evidence presented that it has more long-term significance or will be more sought after than the House episode. Throughout last year (before the video game came out), the House episode was averaging 170 hits per day, which is quite a lot for something that aired nine years ago, suggesting it has enduring popularity. In the week since the video game article was started, it is averaging just 65 hits per day. So certainly I see no evidence yet that the primary topic has changed. We can re-evaluate in a few months time. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 20:08, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Do I interpret your comments correctly in that you think that I requested making the video game article the primary topic? Because that is not what I wanted to suggest. I see that I did not make it clear in my original request, so here it is hopefully more clear: I suggest that after the move, Wilson's Heart should become a disambiguation page. Regarding the page views, please note that at the moment, when I enter "Wilson's Heart" into Google, the first results page contains a link to the Wikipedia page for the TV episode, among 9 other links to web sites regarding the game. The Wikipedia page for the game is not visible at all in the first few pages of Google results. So, I would assume that the page view statistics are a little skewed towards the TV episode at the moment. Spike (talk) 14:16, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.