Talk:Wladimir Klitschko

Transliterations

We appear to have returned to the Kiev-Kyiv argument, where different Roman-script transiterations are used. (In this case English-Polish). Here we have an English-German issue. I appreciate that "Wladimir" spends much of his time in Germany, where his name is spelt that way, but since we're reading this in English, it seems absurd to me that his name is not transiterated into English as 'Vladimir'. That's how he would pronounce it. The icing on the cake is that Wikepedia transiterates his brother's name as 'Vitali' and not "Witali".

I am all for moving this page to Vladimir, since practically all other Vladimirs are transliterated this way. --Berkut 10:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Looks like he spells his name "Wladimir" on the brothers' official site. Olessi 16:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, he spells it as Wladimir, everyone recognizes him as Wladimir so it should be Wladimir. Although a friend I know from Ukraine says its pronounced Vlad-o-mor in Ukranian. Maya Levy 05:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I've changed all occurrences back to Wladimir, since that's the spelling he uses on the website, even in the English version. The only exception is that for "real name" in the infobox I used the standard transliteration of his Ukrainian name, Volodymyr Volodymyrovych Klychko. —Angr 08:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason to add the "criticisms" when there is no proof behind these comments and we do not know who are saying these things.

BIRTHPLACE

according to boxrec wladimir was born in Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstan

When he was born it was the USSR - hence not listed as Kazakhstan.--Stick Negative (talk) 13:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

His birthplace is currently listed as Kiev, Ukraine, and a source is given. But another source says he was born in Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstan. I don't know which source is more reliable. —Angr (talk) 18:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's the Boxrec page mentioned above; it also says Semipalatinsk. —Angr (talk) 18:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

POVERTY IN UKRAINE?

Both brothers have formed their own charities that contribute to children in need in Africa and South America.

I've heard that there's a lot of poverty in Ukraine. Are the brothers indifferent to it, or is something being left out about their activities? Falange (talk) 13:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

In Ukraine oligarchs live over richness and everybody other (I mean ordinary average people) live under poverty. The difference between salaries and pensions of president (and Prime Minister and Members of Parliament) vs. average people is thousands times. Yes, there's a lot of poverty in Ukraine. But also there's a few people in Ukraine being multimillioners doing charity to Africa and South America. Patlatus (talk) 06:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

The win-loss-draw section

Howdy folks. I think we should trim down on the 'fight notes'. GoodDay (talk) 19:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The fight notes are designed to provide insight to people who have not had the chance to watch each fight, so please refrain from deleting them. s52131 (talk) 23:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Jewish

I could have sworn I read somewhere he was Jewish? 195.212.29.92 (talk) 13:08, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

No, he is not Jewish heritage or a practising Jew. In fact, him and his brother Vitali both self-identify as Orthodox Christians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.87.87 (talk) 14:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I could have sworn I read somewhere the moon is made of green cheese: should that be in Wikipedia too? In fact, should everything that anyone could have sworn they read anywhere be added? Wackypedia rules, eh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.3.98 (talk) 18:25, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, come on! Everybody knows the moon's made of cheese. --188.104.157.3 (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Birthplace

Cool. Good research and double-checking! As soon as Webcitation.org is back up, I'll add archive links to the footnotes. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Quick additional note: For English-language Wikipedia, when quoting a source in a different language, we need to provide both the original-language quotation and an English translation, per WP:NOENG. If you could do that, that would be great. Thanks again. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:58, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

But I didn't quote the source, I merely cited it. WP:NOENG says "When citing [a non-English] source without quoting it, the original and its translation should be provided if requested by other editors: this can be added to a footnote or the talk page" (emphasis added). Are you "formally" requesting me to translate the relevant passage? Even someone who doesn't know German can find the word "Semipalatinsk" on the page easily enough and put 2 and 2 together. —Angr (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for double-checking — that's always the responsible thing to do given the nuances of Wiki policies and guidelines. My thought is that if I don't speak a language, I myself would never try to guess what it says for anything like an encyclopedia. Putting two and two together — drawing an original-research conclusion — can backfire, and while something may seem obvious to me, it's the seemingly obvious things that have backfired the worst. The Internet has translation engines that could do a sentence without much difficulty. The other possibility is to find an English-language source.

I agree with you that because of the disputed nature of the material that two reliable citations are better than one in this case. I'd be glad to help look for an English-language cite if you want — collaboration is the name of the game. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Finding another source would be best, not only for the sake of finding one in English, but for the sake of finding one that isn't a gossip rag. —Angr (talk) 09:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Name

I would like to discuss this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wladimir_Klitschko&action=historysubmit&diff=426347045&oldid=426199682

A Russian name (Vladimir Vladimirovich) that I had put at beginning of the article to be presented along with the Ukranian one (Volodymyr Volodymyrovych) was completely deleted by that edit.

Klichko was born in one of the Soviet republics (not the Ukraine) and lived there for ten years; his name according to the birth certificate was surely in Russian and he certainly used his Russian name in any Soviet or CIS republic he ever lived in then and ever after.

Ukrainian wasn't in use (almost at all) in the Eastern Ukraine at the time he lived and studied there. In addition, Russian language was used much more broadly than Ukrainian in Kiev at the time he studied there.

Vladimir uses a German transliteration of his Russian name (Wladimir) internationally. Even if you enter his name in YouTube in Ukrainian ("Володимир Кличко"), all his interviews you would get would be in Russian. I had no success even in finding any single one where he speaks Ukranian.

So, he practically never used to call himself "Volodymyr" neither in his career, nor in everyday life.

Use of the Ukranian version of the name instead of the Russian one at the beginning of the article and moreover complete removal of the Russian version seems to be completely wrong.

Would like to have some opinions from other people here to prevent an edit war. --eugrus (talk) 09:40, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd say the opening should match the title of the article, because he's best known even in the English speaking world by the German spelling of his name. After that, both the Ukrainian and the Russian spellings, with their transliterations, should be given. Thus:

Wladimir Klitschko (/ˈvlædɨmɪər ˈklɪtʃkoʊ/; Ukrainian: Володимир Володимирович Кличко [Volodymyr Volodymyrovyč Klyčko] Error: {{Transliteration}}: unrecognized transliteration standard: latn (help) [ʋɔlɔˈdɪmɪr klɪtʃˈkɔ]; Russian: Владимир Владимирович Кличко [Vladimir Vladimirovič Kličko] Error: {{Transliteration}}: unrecognized transliteration standard: latin (help); born 25 March 1976) is a...

Of course it's silly to pretend Russian is completely irrelevant here, since it's the Russian name Vladimir rather than the Ukrainian name Volodymyr that he uses professionally (in its German transliteration). I have no opinion as to whether Russian or Ukrainian should come first, nor to whether the more academic transliterations with č or the more popular transliterations with ch should be used. —Angr (talk) 10:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds right to me: first German, since that's the name of the article and it is (apparently—going by the sources currently cited) the name used in English-language media; then Russian and Ukrainian. There is room to debate the order of those two languages, but such debate should hinge on published sources, especially English-medium sources, rather than historical knowledge of the linguistic situation in the Khazakh Republic and Ukraine during the 1970s and 80s. Cnilep (talk) 14:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the sources that could be used for the choice of the order in which Russian and Ukranian names are presented I would like to mention once again that Klichko uses his Russian name (not the Ukranian version) in German latinisation for public purposes. So, while all English media calls him Wladimir or some times Vladimir (which are German and English transliterations of the same Russian name "Владимир"), it looks like we have really a lot of reliable sources. Would you agree with me on that? I suppose that the fact that Vladimir always speaks Russian in the Ukraine, even when the interview for Ukrainian language channel is made, could be considered here as well. You could see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ2PvA5qt2g The report is in Ukranian, but he answers them in Russian. --eugrus (talk) 16:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. He's Ukrainian - not Russia. That he had a Russian-language Soviet passport back in the day is irrelevant to the article both in his real, legal name, and his popular use name. Inserting a Russian translation that nobody uses is entirely unjustified by any statute or style guide. Obviously the German variant should be the page title, though.--Львівське(talk) 01:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Just because you're a Ukrainian nationalist doesn't mean he is. He speaks Russian and uses the Russian form of his name, just like a very large proportion of Ukrainian citizens. What's ridiculous is your attempts to suppress all mention of the Russian language on this page. —Angr (talk) 07:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

A "translation" that nobody uses? :) Google knows 16 400 pages with "Vladimir Vladimirovich Klichko" and 49 pages with "Volodymyr Volodymyrovych Klichko". Analogically, 785 000 pages with "Vladimir Klichko" and 2 560 with "Volodymyr Klichko". Knowing that I even have no problem with pretending that the spelling "Wladimir Klitschko" which is on one and a half million pages has nothing to deal with Russian language ;) --eugrus (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. The only "translation that nobody uses" is the Ukrainian name. Klitschko himself uses his Russian name, as does everyone who discusses him in English, German, or Russian. —Angr (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Get the word "Путката" of the template name out! It means a verry dirty word. --Denis Marinov (talk) 18:57, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

wba title

Surely klitschko is the WBA super champion and the regular title is vacant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.4.248 (talk) 02:39, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Ross Purity

Not a lot of commentary on this fight. I watched it again recently. He was leading the entire fight until the 11th, when he went down and they stopped it. He didn't seem to be getting hit with a lot of shots, he just seemed to run out of gas. I recall at the time there was a lot of discussion about him having some sort of blood sugar problem. I also remember them talking about this before his first fight with Samuel Peter. Anyway, he seems to be over it now. I wonder if it was an issue with his diet, his supplements, or his fitness and training regimen. -- I just reckon he plain and simple was very young and overconfident, therefore lacking the wisdom of pacing a 12 round fight, he was only 22 at the time. With most modern heavyweights peaking in their mid 30's, he was practically a kid in comparison. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aussieswimmer (talk • contribs) 02:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected?

can this article please be semi-protected? Im so tired and sick of cleaning up og re-install things we have already put in the article. Just so, some punk as persons can mess it up again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David-golota (talk • contribs) 00:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Number Of Times World Champion

It should be labeled on how many times he was world champion because I don't see it. AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 21:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC) --- My friend, its because the definition of *times* world champ is a very subjective terminology. Some believe you must only lose the title in the ring or get stripped / vacated the title. Some also believe if your capture another alphabet title collectively with your own it also counts, and many believe it doesn't count. Hope that helps champ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aussieswimmer (talk • contribs) 02:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2014

Wladimir Klitchko’s opponent in his April 25, 2015 fight will be Bryant Jennings, currently the “Opponent” field is blank in the “Personal Boxing Record” table for that fight. Szigalo (talk) 19:04, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Consecutive title defenses?

Why does it say that Klitschko currently has 18 consecutive title defenses, behind Louis' 25 and Holmes' 20. Isn't it 22 atm? 43-64 wins. And what about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_reigning_heavyweight_champions 31.220.232.78 (talk) 03:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

From his first defence against Calvin Brock, to his most recent one with against Bryant Jennings—that's eighteen straight. If we combine that with his five defences in his first reign, beginning with Derrick Jefferson and ending with Jameel McCline, that brings his total defences to 23. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 04:12, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello! When you google search Wladimir Klitschko's name it says his spouse was Aleksandra Klitschko which is untrue. When you go to his Wikipedia page there is not even a mention of Aleksandra so I was wondering if there was a way to remove her name from the wikipedia box on google search?

Joneto13 (talk) 16:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia google search

Hello! When you google search Wladimir Klitschko's name it says his spouse was Aleksandra Klitschko which is untrue. When you go to his Wikipedia page there is not even a mention of Aleksandra so I was wondering if there was a way to remove her name from the wikipedia box on google search?

Joneto13 (talk) 16:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

is this stuff true??

are you sure about these things? can you substantiate them?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:333E:1F0:D1E0:8C24:AE52:34F (talk) 22:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Boxing record

Several of Wladimirs losses appear to have been removed from his records by vandals.

The correct record is available here [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:184:4980:7220:8985:A0E6:B3F7:E214 (talk) 00:07, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2017

Klitschko vs Joshua section. 'Rematch close' should read 'rematch clause'. DannySD (talk) 12:12, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done – typo fixed. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

One of the greatest heavyweight knockout artists

I don't doubt this, and I'm sure many boxing aficionados won't either, but I'm struggling to find good sources on that claim. So, let's find some! Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

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Fourth lead paragraph (records, legacy, etc.)

It hasn't reached a fifth paragraph yet, which would warrant {{lead too long}}, but I'm of the opinion that there is far too much detail about his myriad boxing records in the lead. They should be shunted to a Legacy section, similar to that of Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe. The inclusion of Wladimir's many title reigns should be enough for the lead. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

In the Press

[2] -- GreenC 17:04, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Fraternal Exception?

I hadn’t seen this discussed anywhere, but the sanctioning boxing organizations always have rules that a title holder is required to meet a credible challenger within a certain time limit. Did the Klitschko brothers ever come up against this directive? Obviously, the federations must have some exception in the rules for close relatives, as they couldn’t very well compel the guy to fight his own brother. WHPratt (talk) 01:58, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Height

Another unregistered user changed Wladimir's height from 6 ft 6 in to 6 ft 5 in without giving any source or reason, even though several of his most recent fights and other articles on the wiki give his height as 6 ft 6 in. Yet for some reason my edits are being repeatedly reverted, without sufficient explanation, despite me giving plenty of explanation myself. The burden of proof for this edit should rest with the user who originally changed Wlad's height to 6 ft 5 in, not me. Wladimir is well known amongst boxing fans to be 6 ft 6 in and any change to 6 ft 5 in needs a valid reason. 86.185.4.185 (talk) 20:22, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

The HBO ref is uncontestable (they listed him as 6' 6" for years), so simply revert any changes on sight. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you 86.169.127.198 (talk) 13:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, the article is currently semi-protected, so I can't make the change myself, but Wlad's height has been changed yet again to 196cm. Can someone with the ability to do so please correct this? Thanks. 81.141.23.106 (talk) 19:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Theory that Klitschko was drugged in Brewster match

The conspiracy theory that Wladimir was drugged in the first Brewster fight should be presented as a minority view. It is an extraordinary claim and not a widely accepted point of view. It is currently being given more prominence than the opposing point of view, in violation of WP:FALSEBALANCE.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 18:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

For some perspective, here are a couple articles from immediately before the Klitschko-Brewster rematch, 3 years later:

• Klitschko, Brewster look forward to a clean rematch
• Klitschko keen to go one better in take two with Brewster

They give little weight or credence to the theory Klitschko was drugged. This article from 2014 focusing on the fight, doesn't even mention the theory.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

You're presenting just one perspective. There's plenty of non-English speaking media (mostly Russian-speaking) talking about the poisoning, there even was a documentary dedicated to the issue. Are they biased or not? That can be true, but you could say the same about any media that talked about this issue. The point is, the debate of Klitschko being poisoned is definitely not a minority view.

• Так был ли отравлен Кличко во время боя с Брюстером?
• Адвокат Барштейн огласил скандальные подробности боя Владимира Кличко с Брюстером
• Как отравили Кличко
• Владимира Кличко отравили
• Виталий Кличко раскрыл подробности отравления брата Владимира в бою с Брюстером
• «Дело об отравлении» Кличко расследует ФБР
• Владимира Кличко отравили?
• У команды кличко есть косвенные доказательства, что перед боем за титул чемпиона мира владимира отравили
• Владимир Кличко перенес пищевое отравление
• Владимир Кличко перенес отравление
• 3 предыдущие поражения Владимира Кличко
• Главные поединки в карьере Владимира Кличко
• Сказка длиной в 12 раундов (Документальный фильм, Интер)
• Пять поражений Кличко - Большой бокс - Интер

--IvanchukW (talk) 14:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC+2)

I'm interested in the other perspective, but I don't know Russian or Ukrainian. Could you please choose a couple of the best sources that show the poisoning is not a minority view and explain how they show that?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 19:54, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll try my best, but it will take some time. I'm quite busy right now.--IvanchukW (talk) 14:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC+2)

The sources used in the section are overwhelmingly skewed towards Russian-language ones. I call neutrality into question. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Accidental use of rollback

here. I intended to revert but accidentally used rollback. – ².O.^Boxing 16:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Name

Can somebody move the page back to its original title per WP:COMMONNAME? The spelling Wladimir Klitschko is indisputably used in the "significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources". – ².O.^Boxing 14:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

It looks like someone has already taken care of this. Red Phoenix ^talk 23:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

wrong link/person

I have never made a correction/edit, so I do not feel comfortable doing that, but I do believe this phrase/link is wrong: "Buster Posey earned $20.8 million", as it links to baseball player Buster Posey. 206.130.140.25 (talk) 22:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)DPeabody

More than a boxer

Wladimir Klitschko Is undoubtedly known for his boxing as you say Squared.Circle.Boxing (talk · contribs). But not everyone follows boxing and they might come to the article from other directions. To them, boxing might be his "day job", secondary to his academic interests.

Isn't this article a biography? Few people are unidimensional. Is Wikipedia an encyclopedia or a specialist magazine? The MOS states "Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal". To that, we might add "ring guide" or "sports digest". Most athletes have interesting facets to their character other than their sport. Most people have interesting facets to their character other than what they might be best known for. The reason for their fame can change with their personal history or the interests of the reader.

Winston Churchill was a writer and a painter. So was Adolf Hitler. I am reminded of the old joke "You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?"

Nazem Kadri is more than a hockey player. He is a member of the Stanley-cup-winning Colorado Avalanche. But he is also a Muslim, a Canadian of Lebanese descent, and champion for mental health.

Dan Ackroyd is more than an actor or comedian. He's a musician and businessman. He was a reserve police officer. He is passionate about geology and paleontology.

Mohammed Ali was a boxer. He was also a black, American, conscientious objector. Ali was a spoken word artist, a writer and an actor.

Margaret Thatcher is best known as a former prime minister of the UK. But she was always proud of her education and early career as a research chemist. She was also a barrister and that might be of most interest to some people.

Lewis Hamilton is more than a racing driver. He is a Briton, he is black, and he is an Arsenal fan. He is an advocate against racism, for animal rights, and for the environment.

Ronald Reagan was an actor. He was also a politician who became president of the United States. Should his acting record be suppressed in favour of his political results? Should there be separate articles for these subjects?

Niki Lauda was an aviation entrepreneur, founder of three airlines. He was racing driver too.

Joe DiMaggio was an American of Italian descent. He was affected by interment during World War II, yet he served in the US Army. He was a husband of Marilyn Monroe, a heavy smoker and drinker. He also playing baseball.

Benjamin Disraeli was a British statesman who served twice as prime minister of the UK. He was also of Jewish heritage, a political writer and a novelist.

Wladimir Klitschko was an adjunct professor at Switzerland's University of St. Gallen. He's a golfer who speaks four languages. He is a member of his country's armed forces. Oh, by the way, he used to be a professional boxer.

Wladimir Klitschko is a whole person, just like you and me. Who is to say which portions of our personality and experience are most important, and which are secondary? In any case, significant secondary facets shouldn't have to be subordinated by prominence in some other area. I didn't go to the article about him for boxing statistics, although under other circumstances I might have done so.

Please restore my edit. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 00:18, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I reverted your edit per MOS:BLP. The lead should primarily focus on what made the subject notable (MOS:CONTEXTBIO), which is boxing. His service in the defence of Ukraine has one paragraph in the personal life section which makes it's inclusion in the lead WP:UNDUE (MOS:BLPLEAD). His PhD isn't a significant aspect of his life or relevant to his notability, however, it could possibly be introduced in relation to his nickname. Something along the lines of Nicknamed Dr. Steelhammer in reference to his PhD in sports science, he... Failing that, it does not belong in the opening paragraph. – ².O.^Boxing 02:03, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Once a jock, always a jock. That's sad. Thank you for your explanation. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 03:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Erm, yeah. Sure lol – ².O.^Boxing 08:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

"He was friends with the late German heavyweight legend Max Schmeling.[454]"

When I saw this phrase I thought, Max Schmeling was pretty far back there. Max Schmeling died at 99 years old in 2005 when Klitschko was 29 years old. The actual article from 2005 referenced says, "Klitschko does open up about his friendship with German heavyweight great Max Schmeling." Friendship here could mean in the sense that Max Schmeling was a role model for Klitschko, not that Vladimir ever communicated or met with Max Schmeling. Max Schmeling, from all I have read, was a good person to have as a roll model. It just seems far-fetched to say he was actually "friends" referencing only that line from the article. Easeltine (talk) 20:24, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Friendship here could mean...is deep into the territory of WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. We follow what the sources say. – ².O.^Boxing 20:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Klitschko vs. Thompson II, TV viewership in Ukraine

Based on this source, in Ukraine the fight drew a 9.6 rating, audience 4+. Given that, the chances of the fight averaging 7.1 million viewers are next-to-zero. Given that the population of Ukraine was estimated to be around 46 million people and the 4+ audience was cca 44 million people, 7.1 million viewers is more likely to be the total number of viewers. Kacza195 (talk) 18:36, 23 January 2023 (UTC)