Talk:Xia dynasty

The Xia and Irrigation

I just finished archiving all of the old threads here (followed the same procedure I used several years back on the Shang dynasty talkpage), and I plan on doing some simple rewrites on the article soon. While I have access to a decent library right now, I don't think I have the free time to do deep research for wikipedia articles.

But after reading this article and some of the related ones, I've noticed that flood-control and irrigation seem to be a central part of the traditional story of the Xia. That got me wondering, does anyone know of sources that analyze that in detail, through kind of a philological approach? And is there any archaeological evidence for those kind of engineering works at the Erlitou sites, or in the nearby area? It's just the section on traditional accounts gives the impression the classical historians saw that as one of the Xia's defining achievements, but the rest of the article (and related ones) make no mention of waterworks. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:27, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

New evidence for existence of Xia Dynasty and the Great Flood

Just recently there was an article published in the Science magazine detailing a discovery of evidence for the Great Flood, and consequently for the existence of the Xia Dynasty. The link to the article is here if anyone would like to review. I think is worth mentioning on, if not this page, then the page concerning Yu the Great and the Great Flood. Frozenfire71 (talk) 02:21, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Overthrow

Obviously, it's all legendary as recorded but the page and infobox should mention Houyi and Han Zhuo's usurpation of the entire state of Xia during the minority of Shaokang. — LlywelynII 05:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Worship

There should be a section of all the figures from this era that continue to be revered in Chinese folk religion as gods. Yu the Great is the head of the Shuixian Zunwang on Taiwan and is joined by Han Zhuo's kid Ao. I'm sure there are others. — LlywelynII 05:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

State of Qi

I have again reverted the addition of a paragraph on the state of Qi as evidence for Xia. The traditional account that the defeated Xia were given Qi as a fief is mentioned in the Overthrow section. The claim "The Qi state was well recorded in the Oracle script as the one major supporter of the Xia dynasty." is spurious: the cited source concedes that the oracle bones do not mention the Xia, and the state of Qi did not exist at that time. Kanguole 17:27, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I recite the reference which states the author's opinion.Please don't judge it from ur personal opinion Ksyrie(Talkie talkie)

I have shown that the text you have added is nonsense, and indeed contradicted by the author. Kanguole 17:53, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

because u didnt bother to read it,wikipedia is not of place for asserting your personal POV Ksyrie(Talkie talkie)

As I said, Shen acknowledges that the oracle bone inscriptions do not mention Xia at all, so the above sentence is inaccurate. I have tried to summarize his argument about Qi more precisely. Kanguole 17:40, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

maybe they mentions it in another name. Do u find all the egyptian old history books mentions every dynasty? if not, some early egyptian dynasties are pure fabrication,because some egpytian rulers need to invent histories to justify their reigns? Ksyrie(Talkie talkie)

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Request for Clarification

The following sentence makes zero sense to me. Shun seemed to approve of Gun's work and apointed Gun's son to continue (see following paragraph). So why was Shun imprisoning Gun? Was the order given while Shun was at Yushan, or is that where Gun was imprisoned? And how did the imprisonment meant to reform the barbarians? I suppose part of the problem is the passive voice which I could correct, but I'd be embarrassed to fix one aspect of this sentence while leaving the rest so confusing. " Gun was ordered to be imprisoned for life to reform the Eastern Barbarians by Shun at Yushan." Swiss Frank (talk) 16:21, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

"Hsia"

It would be helpful to indicate the old Romanization of the dynasty name, but what's the best place to insert this information? Ishboyfay (talk) 17:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

The information is actually already available, but you need open "Transcriptions" in the second infobox to see it. I can agree that it could be helpful to make it more visible since even not so old books still sometimes write Hsia. How about change the first sentence to:

The Xia dynasty (Chinese: 夏朝; pinyin: Xiàcháo), older romanization Hsia dynasty, is the first dynasty [...]

Another option, but not so clear, is to just also add Wade–Giles to the language template:

The Xia dynasty (Chinese: 夏朝; pinyin: Xiàcháo; Wade–Giles: Hsia⁴) is the first dynasty [...]

If it should be clarified, I prefer the first proposal. BR/--Bairuilong (talk) 05:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

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