Talk:Year of Luigi

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Luigi was once a legend of parkour? Source: [1] [2]
  • ALT1: ... that Luigi made Nintendo lose $457 million dollars? Source: [3]
  • ALT2: ... that Luigi used to be a famed parkour athlete, only to vanish from the industry? Source: [4] [5]
  • ALT3: ... that Luigi used to ride the Chicago "L" train? Source: [6] [7]
    • ALT4: ... that Luigi was once revered as a famed parkour athlete, only to mysteriously vanish from the scene? Source: [8] [9]
    • ALT5: ... that when video game company Nintendo lost $457 million dollars in 2013, everyone blamed it on Luigi? Source: [10] [11]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ron Miles
  • Comment: This is an intended April Fool's Day nomination. Since I'm new with it, please let me know if I've done this incorrectly somehow.

Created by Panini! (talk). Self-nominated at 01:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC).

None of these work as AFD hooks IMO (and I have no idea what "parkour" is a reference to). It's also very obvious that the hooks are about the super Mario brothers games, which practically everybody on the planet must be familiar with. So without a better angle, I think this one would have to be a scratching for AFD. Gatoclass (talk) 02:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Gatoclass, my original hooks included clarification of the exact things you listed, but I cut them down for the sake of a punchy tone. Just to give this a fighting chance, is your "practically everybody on the planet must be familiar with" statement sarcasm? If not, I can rewrite them to appeal to a broader audience. Panini! • 🥪 02:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

(For reference, it's in the context of actual parkour, which is the act of getting from point A to point B as fast as possible, as Wikipedia describes it.) Panini! • 🥪 02:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No I wasn't being sarcastic - I think everybody who owns a computer has probably heard of Super Mario Bros. And I don't know what you mean by "appeal to a broader audience". There are two issues I raised with the hooks, firstly that "parkour" is mystifying, secondly that the hooks are not AFD-ish. Neither relates to "appeal to a broader audience" that I can discern. Gatoclass (talk) 02:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Panini!, while I do know of parkour, I agree with Gatoclass that none of these hooks are appropriate for AFD. If recast to qualify some of the wording (rather than use Wikipedia's voice for mockumentary "facts"), some of these might be suitable as hooks for the quirky slot of a regular set. ALT3 might work in the past tense, but I don't think it's sufficiently interesting without additional facts: anyone can ride the L in Chicago. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:05, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the explanation of "parkour", I guess there might be an AFD angle in there somewhere then, but the first thing you would need to do is actually provide an explanation or at least a link to parkour in the article itself - I couldn't see one when I looked. Gatoclass (talk) 02:55, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Alright, Gatoclass, I've made another alt to better describe my intentions. For reference, the hook comes from this portion of the article: "Also in August, Nintendo released a mockumentary titled Finding Luigi - Legend of Parkour; the video opens with various interviews with parkour athletes, who praised Luigi's popularity and skill in the parkour industry before mysteriously vanishing. In an attempt to interview him, two men go on a quest to find his current whereabouts. The mockumentary was made to justify why Luigi could jump higher than Mario in New Super Luigi U and Super Mario 3D World." Panini! • 🥪 03:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Update, I also rewrote Alt1 to make some more sense. Panini! • 🥪 04:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Panini!:, I was going to do a review after what seemed like a pile-on. However they have a point. Not "everyone" blamed Luigi (the first ref only mentions the loss and not Luigi) and if you read the wiki article on Luigi then none of these points are mentioned. I think you need to realise that DYK is in the real universe. Even on AFDay the hooks are all true. If we have a hook involving a fictional person then it must be clear ... as in the case of a real person disappearing then its intriguing but a fictional person well ... less so. (Oh and I knew immediately what Parkour was). Victuallers (talk) 12:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing, Victuallers. If I'm not misinterpreting everyone's comments, is it still plausible that this could pass for an AFD DYK under the correct scrutiny? It appears that most of the opposing comments here state that the hooks pass off fiction as fact and/or aren't adequately relaying what the article says. If that's the case, I could work around the caveats, possibly; the "joke" I was going for here was (because a lot of people know about the Bros.) to suddenly introduce a fictional character and pair it with an absurd fact. If I were to specify what was real and what wasn't, they would look like this:

• ALT6: ... that Nintendo released a documentary that declared the character Luigi a "legend of parkour"?
• ALT7: ... that when video game company Nintendo lost $457 million dollars in 2013, people blamed the fictional character Luigi?

It removes the punchiness that I was trying to strive for, but the rules are rules. If I've misinterpreted your statement and it was actually a decline, there are a couple of instances of serious hooks I can pull instead for a non-AFD occasion. Also, per your concern of ALT1, it's because I forgot the source that sources the other half of the statement; I added it in Alt5. Panini! • 🥪 12:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I am failing to understand, one of your refs says "Well done Luigi, you did well. Share your favourite memories of his year below". How does that fit with Alt7? SuperMario wiki (poor source) doesnt mention it and Wiki' Nintendo article (v.poor source) says about 2015 "The financial losses caused by the Wii U, along with Sony's intention to ... motivated Nintendo to rethink its strategy concerning the production and distribution of its properties". The article Luigi doesnt mention it either. Your article mentions a meme (ie a fiction) that is mentioned (in passing) in your ref which then contradicts the idea saying "he [Luigi] led the rescue mission, ensuring damage control and smiling gaming faces with his humorous terror, clumsy mannerisms and awesome platforming athleticism. He bailed Mario out in this Year of Luigi, and we'd better not forget it." ... so alt7 says "people blamed the fictional character Luigi"... umm, ? ? I'm failing to understand. Victuallers (talk) 16:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

It appears that I've once again failed to justify the "factual" aspect, and that's on me. Per your interpretation (and my misinterpretation, per se), I've struck the previous hooks. However, there's facts from this article that can be used for serious hooks instead; I looked around for the unordinary ones to use instead. The 7 day creation criteria also still applies. Victuallers, is there a separate process I need to take to give these serious hooks, or can I simply list them here and remove this from the AFD page? Panini! • 🥪 16:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

It was my understanding that approved hooks were moved to the AFD area. I think that given our history you should find another reviewer. The seven day rule doesnt apply once you are in the queue however you do need to make sure that you demonstrate that you are understanding. Look back at previous years of AFD and see how they are all factually correct. Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

New serious hooks, no longer an AFD's nomination. A second reviewer is requested:

• ALT0a: ... that Canadian actor Danny Wells, who portrayed Luigi in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, died amidst the character's 30th anniversary celebration? duringSource: [12][13]
• ALT1a: ... that during the Year of Luigi, Nintendo released a mockumentary depicting Luigi as a "legend of parkour"? Source: [14] [15]
• ALT2a: ... that to celebrate the Year of Luigi, the Chicago "L" train was redesigned with a green color scheme and character artwork, with a costumed character of Luigi riding upon it? Source: [16][17] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panini! (talk • contribs) 20:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
  • I can't review them all, but there are issues with ALT2a and some related material in the article: there was a single train that was modified to be the Luigi train out of the very many trains that run on the Brown Line (sources 7 and 9 make it clear that it was a Brown Line train, though done up in green inside and out for the promotion; one of the three sources say that the Brown Line became the "Luigi Line" for the day), not a train that runs on the Green Line as the article says, though the two elevated lines, along with several others, both stop at Clark/Lake downtown where kiosks offered up a new game featuring Luigi. So ALT2a might fly with "a" (rather than "the") L train, but the article needs to be revised to better reflect the sources, and really shouldn't feature a Green Line image. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Oh, pardon me, BlueMoonset, I've been seeing green the whole week I was writing this. I added the specifics of the train line while I was in a rush. "Brown line" and "green" may have merged in this rush to add an image. I've fixed the article to match this discrepancy. Panini! • 🥪 00:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

• Full review needed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:36, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Earwig flagged a few passages, but they appeared to be quotes. Approving Alt1a --evrik ^(talk) 04:44, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Promoted ALT1a to Prep 3. Z1720 (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Year of Luigi/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: PerryPerryD (talk · contribs) 19:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Christ, already? Ok, I am PerryPerryD and I will be reviewing this article. Panini has shown great articles in the past so I have no reason to doubt this article being an exception, however, I review each article equally, regardless of previous reputation. With that, I will now begin. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Initial Notes

Copyright: The Year of Luigi Logo is already a concern of mine due to the Luigi Sprite on it. I would advise using an alternative logo, Such as the YoL Logo without the Luigi Sprite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerryPerryD (talk • contribs) 20:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted the logo to the one without and tagged the others for deletion. This is a bot process that takes a week to commence, so it shouldn't be held against this review that they are still there and will be done in time. Panini! • 🥪 21:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Resolved. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 21:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Just to be clear, the logo including Luigi is still allowed on Wikipedia if desired; it will just need a fair use rationale and the license will need to be changed since this is likely not in the public domain. – Rhain ☔ 00:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I personally don't mind which one is used, but I do have a question, Rhain. Free image are always preferred over fair use ones, but the one currently there is technically not the "correct" logo; the one with the sprite is. Should I use the one currently there because it's a free alternative, or a fair use one with the sprite because it's the official version? Panini! • 🥪 11:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

The choice is yours, really. I'd argue that the "correct" one might be best as long as you can justify it in the fair use rationale. Despite their similarities, they're technically two different images, so I wouldn't get too caught up on free images being "better"; just choose what's best for the article. – Rhain ☔ 12:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I chose to use the sprite, but I made a separate file from the one prior so I can use it elsewhere (the template, M&L: DT). @PerryPerryD, can I get an update on the review? Also, congrats on the Wii U promotion! Panini! • 🥪 12:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Panini! Heya, I am sorry, I was taking a 1 day unexpected wikibreak due to events that came up, I will now resume the review. Thank you for your patience. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 17:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, that's perfectly fine. You're good! Panini! • 🥪 18:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Well Written

• The sentence "and released a parkour-themed mockumentary." feels out of place and undescriptive, when was this mockumentary released? where was it shown? Either expand this sentence or remove it to later in the article as this sentence is too confusing, especially to a broad audience. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 17:52, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

  Clarification Approved. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:24, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

  • Clarified
• "Also in August, Nintendo released a mockumentary titled Finding Luigi – Legend of Parkour;" Clarification, Where was this video released? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerryPerryD (talk • contribs) 18:00, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

  Clarification Approved. Pass. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 18:24, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

  • Also clarified

There were a few other prose issues in this article, however I proceeded to fix these myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerryPerryD (talk • contribs) 18:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Verifiable

Pass. All claims appear to be validly sourced and only 1 Primary source is used (Citation 54:Nintendo).

Broad

Pass, Going into detail of the specific Luigi themed games released during this period, and with those sections being shorter than the main focus of the article, This gives due weight to all parts of the article and allows the article to be spread out and broad.

Neutral

Pass. This article does not praise or criticize the Year of Luigi other than for the reception section which is quoted by reviewers and is Not representative of the authors opinion in question. No outside critique is given in this aritcle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerryPerryD (talk • contribs) 18:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Stable

Automatic Pass. Past 2018, Panini has been the sole major contributor with the exception of 2 editors, which automatically prevents edit warring to have taken place.

Illustrated

Pass but please be careful, the Luigi sprite shown in the logo makes copyright complex, A fair use rationale does apply here however.

Final Notes

With the issues I stated above fixed, I see absolutely no reason to deny this article. Well done again Panini!. Congratulations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerryPerryD (talk • contribs) 18:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, and thank you for the review, @PerryPerryD! Panini! • 🚢 18:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

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