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Codeword for blacks

I think for at least the last 4 years the media has used "Youth" and "Teen" as codewords to describe criminal people from Africa, regardless of their age. Sometimes these words described actually identified people, who had only one person under 20 in their group; sometimes only "Youth" was used, because the criminals were over 20 (often up to the late twenties) or not identified. And I can provide numerous links to pictures of black people with large beards and other signs of being mature, who were still referred to as "Youths". Don't you think this phenomenon should be mentioned in the article?

Please don't forget that political correctness does not define linguistic terms, but the actual usage of words in a certain context does.

Here is a perfect example in German, with German editors adapting the trend set by American and British tabloids like HuffPo and dailymail: http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/rassenunruhen-in-baltimore-nach-beerdigung-des-schwarzen-freddie-gray-a-1030967.html

Out of Place?

Why does the follow appear, non sequitur, in the "age limits" section:

The figures show most of us toiled about 536 minutes or 8.9 hours in a typical weekday in 2005. That was up from the 506 minutes and 8.4 hours we spent on the job in the 80s. It means that on average we’re spending 45 minutes less with loving family members than we did just two years ago. And as more companies cut back, forcing employees to do more with less, those stats are bound to just keep expanding. And that doesn’t even count your commute times. Study author Martin Turcotte was surprised at the results, believing quality of life was an issue for younger workers. But in the end, duty called and most of them admitted they were forced to answer it. Parenting expert Mary Gordon believes all that time away is creating a serious problem for families with kids. “We are robbing our children and we are robbing ourselves of the richest relationships of our lifetime,” she warns. “It means we’re not really shoring them up for success. Little children need adult time and they need together time…without any agenda.” But it’s not just work that’s eating away at our togetherness. So are other distractions like TV and the Internet.

Should it be removed? Could someone provide any transitional text to show the relevance of this to the topic? Is it a quotation? If so why isn't it properly cited? JimD (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits

The list of youth publications and the inclusion of Template:Youth Empowerment are both completely relevant and purposeful on this page. I would proponent that most users who come to the page are completely interested in the topic of the template. Perhaps Template:Youth should be created, and Youth Empowerment could be a link on there.

and that the list of youth publications can be made more comprehensive to include publications by and for youth, even to the point of starting a new page. However, simply eliminating the presence of the that list from this page is not adequate. If you don't like what's on the list, add to it.

Matter of fact, maybe the list of youth publications should be a separate page, and included on Template:Youth. - Freechild 15:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Purpose of this article

I'm a bit confused about what the purpose of this article is. Seems like it should just be added to the "teenager" section of the adolescence article. --Fez2005 03:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I think this article should be merged with adolescence. Any other comments? —Gm1121983 16:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Disagree. Youth is an internationally recognized term that is commonly acknowledged popular vernacular. Adolescence is scientific jargon, and is rarely used outside of scientific fields. A google search for "youth" turns up about about 192,000,000 finds. Adolescence? 78,700,000. Youth wins. - Freechild 11:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Old commentary

This page says that youth is somewhere between 12 and 26. According to the website here [1], the category for children and youth is 0-21. I'm slightly over that. Gm1121983 19:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The Teens Taking Flight program at Abilities in Motion is for teenagers and students at ages up to 21. According to this article, youth begins at 12 and ends at 26. You still fit in that frame. Mr. Conrad 23:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The correct age group is 13-21, and it has been aged out to 24. See website here [2]. —Mariusz Zielinski 22:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably 25 or 26 is a good point to finish youth/late adolescence since most of the organizations and services for youth have a required age that ends somewhere between 22-26. And 25 is the proper age where the adult stage in biology starsm and with that age you have plenty of rights in all the countries.

Ah, that explains it. At 25, you've pretty much lived 1/3 of your life. —Gm1121983 00:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Now this article is telling us that youth is somewhere between 13 and 19, the teenage years. The article here tells us that "adolescence" ends at 19 or 20, which I would have to agree with. At 21, you're a full-grown adult (appropriately speaking). —Gm1121983 02:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe 13-30 is the correct age group. That's what this article currently says, and after 30, your skin loses its elasticity. And after 30, you get closer to middle aged. 40 is middle aged. Cameron Diaz is over 30, and she has wrinkles, but she gets plastic surgery to look younger. —Mariusz Paul Zielinski 16:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with 200.126.218.25 that youth ends at age 25. 25 is the beginning of middle age and 50 is the beginning of old age. 75 is the average life expectancy in humans. —Flatts 17:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Middle aged

So I guess 31 is middle aged? —Bill Conrad 16:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

After 20, your skin produces 1% less collagen each year. I'm 24, so my skin still has 96% collagen left. —Brian Michael Barbera 02:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

And Tretinoin is recommended for those who are over 25. See website here. —Bill Conrad 17:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

This entire conversation is moot, as the article clearly illustrates the age limits per attributable citations from reliable sources. - Freechild 20:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Youth is certainly not interchangable with teenagehood. The notion of a 'young man' certainly continues through to about 25.

The article really should be split into various sections citing completing ways of undestanding what 'youth' is. One would be teenagehood; another biological; another social- early explorative independece; andother artistic etc. Needs references to art, and texts etc. 81.179.114.114 23:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Merger of Young person

It has been proposed that the article about Young person be merged with Youth. However, I would oppose this merger on the grounds that Young person, in New Zealand, at least, has a specific legal meaning. -- Cameron Dewe 10:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose, b/c of Cameron Dewe's explanation. Besides, there are those in WP who would merge young person, youth, child, adolescent, snotnose, punk and kid all into one article, because they see each of these identities as a non-person. Who wants to support that? - Freechild 13:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Youth should be aware of an Australian Program called Momntum held at CLC Liverpool. I attened the latest series which was excellent and the speakers to thousands of school kids were were of the highest calibre. Most hared their journey and secrets behind their achievements and the key note speakers were Morris Iemma - Premier of NSW, Ken Moroney Commsssioner of Police and Gerard Vamadevan - National Business Manager, Telstra. These three speakers in the above order were the first to share their insights and lates in the afternon w had a remarkable session with Johnny Lee Cleary who engaged the student about him experience in several remarkable past expriences.

Education Network Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.171.194.102 (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I just wanna say that I agree with the NAtional Highway Safety Commision

YOUTH= should be between 0-21. Anything above that is ADULT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punkymonkey987 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The Map

(a) I don't understand what it's showing, and (b) the description and the text embedded in the image make no sense. 86.132.48.67 (talk) 16:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

There's more information at the image's description page, and the editor who created the map also has a page that explains what "bubble maps" are.

I was going to edit the map's caption to say that it was a "bubble map", but the Wikipedia on Bubble map redirects to Concept map, which seems sufficiently different from the map here to be confusing.

I don't know if it helps, but try thinking of India as a unit of measurement! In this case, 351 million Indian citizens are aged 14 years or younger. Australia has around 3.5 million citizens aged 14 or younger, so Australia can be shown as being 1% of India. The map shows this as a big green dot for India, medium-sized yellow dots for one-tenth of "an India", and small red dots for one-hundredth of "an India". A country with, say, 175 million citizens aged 14 or younger would should this by using 5 yellow dots. You can see this with China - China has nearly as many young citizens as India, shown by nine yellow dots.

Hope that helps! TFOWR^propaganda 12:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

In Our Time

The BBC programme In Our Time presented by Melvyn Bragg has an episode which may be about this subject (if not moving this note to the appropriate talk page earns cookies). You can add it to "External links" by pasting * {{In Our Time|Youth|p00548x7}}. Rich Farmbrough, 03:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC).

European Commission

The European Commission set up the European Youth Portal ( http://europa.eu/youth/ ) ( www.euro26.org ). I believe their initial definition was for people younger than 26. The current working definition may be people through age 30, but I'm having trouble tracking down a citation. samwaltz (talk) 20:52, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism

I noticed the Robert Kennedy quote: "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind, a temper of the will, a quality of imagination, a predominance of courage over timidity, of the appetite for adventure over the life of ease." is an obvious plagiarism of the 1962 "Duty, Honor, Country" address Douglas MacArthur made to the Corps of Cadets at West Point upon receiving the Thayer Award "...They give you a temper of the will, a quality of the imagination, a vigor of the emotions, a freshness of the deep springs of life, a temperamental predominance of courage over timidity, of an appetite for adventure over love of ease." DCMeinshausen (talk) 18:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not plagiarism - it's cited. • Freechildtalk 22:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposal of editing this page

Hello! I have decided to edit the Wikipedia article Youth. Mainly because the information that it contains it's very general, lacks of content and also of sistemic bias. The most important factor that I will like to introduce is a subtitle regarding the global North–South divide and the differences that the youth has in several general subjects like the sexuality, sexual education and maybe employment opportunities.

In order to do so, I will check several bibliography regarding global south youth in both sexuality and employment availabe from the Cowles library at Drake. Also I will used several articles that we have seen in class and also futures ones from the class. For instance: the article today on "passing time" gives us very detailed information about the Global South youth which can be cited.

The main objetive of editing this article and make it more broad is for support this article with more systemic bias and also to introduce the global south youth like a another manifestation of the youth itself. In order to keep the neutrality standard I will like to cite the common patterns of the youth as a wolrd phenomena but also manifest the different challenges that it carries depending of the countries in which the people are. Finally I think that this new topic added to the article will help the notability of it and also be the the starting point for other editors to start working more on the main article!

Ollin nahui (talk) 14:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

youth as socially constructed

Hello - I added back in the socially construct aspect of the youth definition. The citation is well-referenced. While developmental changes through puberty indeed involve non-social elements, the understanding that there is a time phase between childhood and adolescence is a social and historical phenomenon that is about how the time period is understood rather than anything essential about what happens to the body at that time. Cheers! Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 21:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Prof.Vandegrift, regarding this edit you made, I reverted because youth is not entirely a social construction and the initial sources don't call it one either. Yes, a lot of it is socially constructed, but the lead and lower body of the article are already clear about that without making it seem like youth is entirely a social construct. There are clearly biological differences between someone who is considered young (what is typically considered young) and someone who is in old age. We currently don't restrict old age to a social construct in the Old age article, nor should we, and I don't see why we should restrict youth to a social construct in the Youth article, especially since there are a lot of biological aspects that can be added to this article (such as biological advantages of youth). Yes, adolescence is a social construct (and I've stated as much in the past), but it is a different topic than youth and we currently don't start off the Adolescence article by calling it a social construct. We don't need to; the lead is already clear that definitions of what adolescence is vary. We also currently do not start off the Childhood article by calling childhood a social construct. And in the Child and Adult articles, we start off with biological definitions and then move into the social definitions. There are a lot of things that are social constructs, some of which are based on biological and/or psychological aspects, and we do not have to name every one of them as social constructs in the lead or in the article at all.

Do you mind discussing this per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle (WP:BRD) essay instead of WP:Edit warring? Flyer22 (talk) 02:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Maturity

I am considering removing the final sentence of the first intro paragraph: "An individual's actual maturity may not correspond to their chronological age, as immature individuals can exist at all ages."

I believe it is redundant as it's assumed earlier in the paragraph, given "youth" has no specific age range or end, that the same goes for a person's state of maturity. Also, what is "actual maturity"? Whether or not someone is "actually" mature is defined by cultural standards that are different all over the world. My point is, this sentence is confusing and belongs in that "maturity" article that's linked in the first sentence. I will remove it by the end of the day if no one objects. Thanks, TheSkiRacer (talk) 23:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

TheSkiRacer, feel free to remove that. Flyer22 (talk) 01:18, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

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