Talk:Yulia Lipnitskaya

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Now that she is famous because of success at Olympics 2014 Sochi Russia, I would like to see a better photo in the lede and an action picture in the article. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:25, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- Now there is a better action picture in the lede, how about a short video clip in the body of the article, such as her award-winning accelerating spin at the end of her performance? Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Reliable sources needed

I removed the following statements: "She is the youngest European champion and holds the record for the combined total and free skate scores on the ladies' junior level." There was at least one younger champion: Marina Cherkasova in pairs. Lipnitskaia might be the youngest to win the ladies' title but a reliable source is needed. References are also needed for the statement about the junior records.Hergilei (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Olympics 2014 Sochi Russia

Headline: Julia Lipnitskaia

• http://www.aol.com/article/2014/02/08/u-s-wins-team-short-dance-russia-takes-womens/20826002/?ncid=webmail2

"SOCHI, Russia (AP) -- Fifteen-year-old Julia Lipnitskaia had the look of an Olympic champion Saturday night, dazzling the home crowd with a near-perfect performance in the women's team short program." -- FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:27, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Youngest Olympic gold medalist in figure skating history

I'm reverting this, despite the credible source. The source is mistaken. (See below) She isn't the youngest to win gold in any figure skating event except the brand-new team event, which isn't really notable in my mind. Maxi Herber in 1936, was younger when she won a pairs medal. Lipnitskaia's age is being compared to Tara Lipinski, who is only the youngest to win individual gold, but Lipnitskaia's medal is not an individual one. She may win one, based off her form in the team competition, but she will be older than Lipinski was when the individual competition will be held on 20 February 2014. -- mpbx (talk) 02:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

• http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/he/maxi-herber-1.html <- External source
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxi_Herber <- Wiki confirmation of her birthdate
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_at_the_1936_Winter_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Pairs <- Wiki confirmation of the medal date.

Not the youngest in figure skating history, but is the youngest under modern rules. Maxi Herber would have been too young to compute under modern rules, thus her record is impossible to beat (unless they change the age limit again). Kirin13 (talk) 04:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Article title

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• Should the title of this article be?

• 1. Julia Lipnitskaia
• 2. Yulia Lipnitskaia
• 3. Julia Lipnitskaya
• 4. Yulia Lipnitskaya

• When responding, please preface your comment with your preferred spelling. Safiel (talk) 02:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

• Yulia Lipnitskaya I have seen all four above variants used. However, variant #1 and variant #4 seem equally prevalent. Right now, I am leaning to variant #4, which seems to be the most prevalent. Also notable is the fact that the Russian Липницкая Юлия Вячеславовна, renders (via Google Translate) as English Lipnitskaya Yulia V. In any event, I think it is worth discussing. Safiel (talk) 02:04, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
• Yulia Lipnitskaya Agreement with User:Safiel. The Russian language does not have a letter that sounds like the "J" in "Julia Child" or "Julia Stiles" in English. Usually an English name using the harsh "J" sound, like John or James, is transliterated into Russian using the three letter combination "Dzh" which only approximately the English "J" sound. "Yulia", pronounced as "you-lee-ya", is much closer to what the Russian sounds like. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
• Yulia Lipnitskaya. Whenever a variety of person's name spellings is used by reliable sources, and as long as neither one is massively prevalent, we go with the spelling produced using Wikipedia's romanization of Russian guidelines. If the guidelines produce a variant which does not match any of the commonly encountered variants, then the closest one to the variant produced by the application of the guideline is used. With that in mind, the title should be "Yulia Lipnitskaya".—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 11, 2014; 14:18 (UTC)
• Julia Lipnitskaya Since this is the English side of Wikipedia, and since US/English media uses Julia, I favor (not strongly) using what readers will more readily understand: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/julia-lipnitskaia-clinches-team-figure-skating-gold-for-host-russia-americans-take-bronze/2014/02/09/5431118e-91c8-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html (Yes, the W-Post article spells the surname as 'Lipnitskaia' but I prefer 'Lipnitskaya' for pronunciation, (again, not a strong feeling either way for me.) Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:28, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
• Comment: It would be ideal to ask her which she prefers for the English version of Wikipedia, but the answer would probably come from Putin (Russia administration) rather than from herself, her own preference. I liked reading the referenced sports article (linked from our WP article) where she speaks extensively in English (apparently not translated from Russian). [1] If she speaks only in Russian, I would prefer 'Yulia'. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment on my comment: Has anyone seen her interviewed on camera? Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:56, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
• Yulia Lipnitskaya False, amateur transcription. Furthermore, "J" in "Julia" is spelled as in "jam", which is incorrect; therefore "Y", which is spelt like the one in "you". "Veacheslav" should be written as "Vyacheslav", because "Veachaslav" may be read as "We-chesslav", which is false, too.--77.190.69.131 (talk) 19:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
• Yulia Lipnitskaya – this is the spelling that is used, for example, in official broadcasts and sheets during Sochi Winter Olympics. See e.g. screenshots here and here, as well as official Sochi-2014 site and NBC Olympics. The patronymic should be spelled as Vyacheslavovna, per common romanization guidelines. cherkash (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Admin request (please place your responses to the RfC ABOVE this section title)

• Note: Olympic coverage on WNBC is using the correct transliteration of the name as "Yulia". This is also the Wikipedia convention for all transliterations of this Russian letter. See "Yuri Gagarin" for example. Request Admin to revert title of wikipage to consistent usage with both WNBC and Wikipedia policy for transliteration of Russian names. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 01:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
• Non-admin response to the above request I respectfully OPPOSE the above request. This entire purpose of this RfC is to seek community consensus on the naming issue. There is absolutely no need for administrative response, until this RfC has fully run its course. Thanks. Safiel (talk) 03:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Note: Usually a normal RFC would be applied. However, there was a 60,000 page count spike for this wikipage during the Olympic competition 2 days ago, with people typing in the name they see on the television screen "Yulia" and getting misdirected. Since the Olympic "singles" competition is starting in two or three days from now, my hope was to get the wikipage to have the correct page title "Yulia" before the expected 60,000 (or more) page count when that competition begins very shortly. I hope you can rethink your "oppose" message, by changing or removing it, so that requested Admin can act promptly to retitle this page with the spelling used in the Olympics and WNBC, "Yulia", and not misdirect another 60,000 requests. Otherwise, I would have agreed with you about a regular RFC, except for the Olympic competition taking place with a high expectation of another large spike in page counts for this page very shortly. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 03:35, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I do not see the problem since either name can bounce over to the other name, which either way it ends up being. As with other articles, both 'Julie' and 'Yulia' need to be valid! Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

 Administrator note I've declined the requested move. Given that there is currently a discussion underway I think it's better to wait until there is an outcome of that. Also please note the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves for discussions about moving pages, and how to request moves. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:47, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

FYI: Article now contains "Yulia Lipnitskaya (preferred Olympics usage), Julia Lipnitskaya, and Yulia Lipnitskaia redirects here." at the top. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:21, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

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Revert

About this: [2]. I'm not sure she "announced" anything. (It looks like she's dating him, though.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Job as coach

Hello there. I was checking Lipnitskaya's social media, and it seems that for the last few weeks she has been promoting an academy she opened alongside Elena Ilinykh. I wonder if that should be mentioned. I've linked a few of her posts and the Instagram account of the academy itself.

• https://www.instagram.com/p/BfJfzm2li5E/?taken-by=sunnylipnitskaya
• https://www.instagram.com/p/BfG5HDxFpPY/?taken-by=sunnylipnitskaya
• https://www.instagram.com/academy_ilinykh_lipnitskaya/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by CheapAbyss (talk • contribs) 01:00, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Updated tables

I saw where this article had been nominated as a WP:GA, so I took it upon myself to update the tables so as to conform with the WP Figure Skating MOS. This includes the infobox with medals, competition highlights, highest scores, and detailed results. The only table left to do is the repertoire table, which is my least favorite to do, so I will try to get to it tomorrow.

Good Luck with the GA nomination! Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Yulia Lipnitskaya/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Riley1012 (talk · contribs) 19:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Riley1012 Here you go! Hope everything can beeee addressed! Arconning (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Arconning Thank you so much! I have addressed everything but have some notes below about the image issues. -Riley1012 (talk) 17:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 14:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

• I will be reviewing this article, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! Arconning (talk · contribs)

Prose and MoS

Lead

• Remove source since it's already used in the body.

   Done

Early life

• Yulia Lipnitskaya was born on 5 June 1998, use full name.

   Done

• 5 June 1998, add comma at end.

   Done

• Lipnitskaya was raised by a single mother, Daniela Leonidovna Lipnitskaya, who gave her surname to Yulia. Lipnitskaya's father, Vyacheslav, was drafted into the Russian army while her mother was pregnant, and he chose not to return to the family afterward., could be formatted better to avoid passive voice but that's alright! Your choice to change or not.

   Done

Career

• Milan, Italy, Quebec, ISU, hyperlink.

   Done

• Lipnitskaya qualified for the Grand Prix Final in Sochi, Russia, but withdrew due to injury — during training on 28 November, she lost balance on the entry to a spin, split her chin and sustained a slight concussion., change to Lipnitskaya qualified for the Grand Prix Final in Sochi, Russia, but withdrew due to injury. During training on 28 November, she lost balance on the entry to a spin, split her chin, and sustained a slight concussion..

   Done

• She became the youngest Olympic gold medalist under modern rules,, specify the sport since there are younger medalists in other Olympic sports.

   Done

• Her coach Tutberidze said that the Russian media interest was excessive— listening devices were found in the locker room in Moscow and reporters followed both the skater and her relatives., change to Her coach Tutberidze said that the Russian media interest was excessive—listening devices were found in the locker room in Moscow, and reporters followed both the skater and her relatives..

   Done

• compete at 2014 Cup of China, compete at the 2014 Cup of China.

   Done

• In May 2015, Lipnitskaya started working with a new choreographer Marina Zueva, add commas after choreographer and Zueva.

   Done

• finish at 2015 Finlandia Trophy., at 2015 Skate America, add the before years.

   Done

• 1994 Olympic, hyperlink.

   Done

• Insbruck, Austria,, spell as Innsbruck instead and use Innsbruck, Austria as the hyperlink to combine.

   Done

• Skate America and Rostelecom Cup., from Skate America after a recurring injury., add the before competition names.

   Done

• Valentin Piseyev, President of the Russian Figure Skating Federation,, reword to President of the Russian Figure Skating Federation, Valentin Piseyev,, but any is okay!

   Done

• April and that August's announcement did not come as a surprise., maybe add quotation marks or reword as it's a bit informal.

   Done

Personal life

• Their daughter Katalina, add comma after daughter and Katalina.

   Done

Records and achievements

• Hopefully add note for 11 December 2011.

   Done

Programs

• Love it!

Competitive highlights

• Remove image and move to Awards as the image shows the Russian Order of Friendship. Change hopefully.

  Unfortunately the awards section isn't large enough for the image, it bleeds into the references section if it's placed there.

Detailed results

• "ISU personal best scores in the +3/-3 GOE System " thingy is great!
• The images aren't formatted well, hopefully fix the huge gap between the titles and the action sections! Maybe make them side by side at the start then let the results flourish. Example can be found in University of Santo Tomas#Notable people.

  Does it look better now? I put the images by the year when the event happened. Unfortunately cant put images at the top because it'll mess up the spacing of the ISU personal best scores in the +3/-3 GOE System table

• Make the junior results first rather than the senior.

   Done

Awards

• Make a separate section for reference 96. Example: Laufey (singer)#Awards and nominations

   Done

• Reiterating to move File:Vladimir Putin and Julia Lipnitskaia 24 February 2014 cropped.jpg here instead.

  See above.

Images

• Images have proper licenses and have suitable captions.

Refs

• Conditional pass on sources using TASS. Generally unreliable on government-based topics but since it's about a skater...

Spotchecks

• Pass.

Misc.

• No ongoing edit war, neutral and focused on the topic.

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 02:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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Lipnitskaya at the 2014 European Championships

• ... that Yulia Lipnitskaya (pictured) is the youngest Olympic figure skating gold medalist since 1936 and second-youngest ever?

• Source: Yahoo! Sports

• ALT1: ... that at the 2014 Olympic Games, Yulia Lipnitskaya (pictured) became Russia’s youngest ever Winter Olympic gold medalist? Source: The Telegraph
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jordynn Dudley
• Comment: QPQ coming soon

Improved to Good Article status by Riley1012 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 30 past nominations.

Riley1012 (talk) 11:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC).

• GA status confirmed as recent (May 29, 2024). Size, hook, etc. all GTG. I wonder if a more interesting hook could be made, for example about anorexia?. I'd be happy to review a more interesting hook if any are proposed. Ping Riley1012. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)