Talk:Zaydism

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Latest comment: 5 months ago by Abo Yemen in topic Regions

Requested move

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 16:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)Reply


ZaidiyyahZaydism Zaydism is the WP:COMMONNAME now. See [Ngrams] PZMir (talk) 10:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Obedience

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The lead talks at length about the "obedience" without an explanation, using a (very rare outside of this article) term "imam of obedience". This terminology is not used in any long research treatment of the subject, there is no cite in our article either. Is this a "true imam" of the Twelvers? If yes, this appears to be a wrong statement: Zaydis seem to allow imam selection based on merit, not predestination. If cite is not found, I will remove the sentences form the lead. Викидим (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Removed. If someone finds a cite, please let me know. Викидим (talk) 09:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Project rating

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Somehow the "low importance" of the topic for Yemen sounds unconvincing. Викидим (talk) 06:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Two histories

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There are literally two history sections in the article. I did not create any of these, and am simply (slowly) doing a rewrite of the first one using the sources at the bottom of the article that look solid to me (Zaydism#Further reading). If anyone has objections to any of these, please voice them here, as I am not connected to Yemen or Yemen-related scholarship in real life, and thus will happily consider other sources. With one of the books printed in late 2023, although apparently hastily put together (note the references to "this dissertation" inside), I see no reason to use any online sources, especially news (this article is not about the current events in Yemen, after all, and can easily be made non-controversial). Викидим (talk) 09:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Regions

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@Викидим, it says in the history section of the article that:

The Zaydis formed the states in what is now known as northern Iran (Tabaristan, 864 CE, by Hasan ibn Zayd, expanded to Daylam and Gilan) and later in Yemen (893 CE, by al-Hadi ila'l-Haqq Yahya). The Zaydis on the Caspian Sea were forcefully converted to Twelver Shi'ism in the 16th century.

Northern iran should be in the infobox + the Houthis, although they're the largest practicers of this sect-thingy, aren't the only group that practices it Abo Yemen 10:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

It is my understanding that the section "Regions with significant populations" means current significant populations (at least that is how it is used in the articles I've checked). As the text you quote suggests, Zaidism in Iran is long extinct. The {{infobox religious group}} appears to have no documentation, alas. Викидим (talk) 19:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
aight Abo Yemen 08:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply