Talk:Zo people

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"Zo Race - It is considered to be a Tibeto-Burman race".

Zo is not a race. It is an ethinic group. Neither is the term "Tibeto-Burman" a racial category, it is only a linguistic classification scheme.

Copyright

Copyrighted text from [1] was removed from this article. Conscious 17:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC) I am a naturalized American, originally from the ethnic group known as Chins in Burma. My people group has been knoown as such around the world especially when the British colonized Burma and adopted Chin to identify my people group without being sensitive to our deep feeling about the word. Even nowadays, some of my people are too naive to accept it as our ethnic identity, and to believe that we are Chins simply because others call us Chins. In fact, we have never called ourselves Chins. Well, if you ask today's young people, they might say we are Chins because they have been familiar with the Burmese word Chin. So-called Chins from the Haka region would accept it without any bad feelings because they say the word Zomi is particularly Tedim, and they do not want to be identified with a Tedim word. They would rather be identified with a Burmese word. Yes, if they like to be called Chins, it is OK for them. But there are others who feel that Chin is like the American "N" word to us. Please do not lump them altogether in either Chin group or Zomi group. It has been politicized and it has become a political word although we the people ought to be identified with our authentic identity. The word Zo is our root word but it means the region where we live. So if we want to identify the people, we are Zomis, the people who live in the Zo region. Zo in our language means hilly or mountainous region. In other words, we are hilltribes.

Chin merge

If anything "Zo (people)" should be merged into Chin (people), as - at least in the English-speaking world - the latter designation is far more common (cf. Minorities at Risk, Ethnologue).--Jsorens 18:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. They are different ethnic groups, location notwithstanding. I would suggest adding the Zo (people) to Burma, but not to eliminate the article altogether or merge with the Chin (people. -unsigned by User:64.148.3.3 (12:01, 21 September 2006)

Though Zo and Chin are related terms, they are not the same. "Chin" was a term used by colonial ethnographers of the Chin Hills (Burma), but the Zo people in Mizoram and Manipur hardly recognize the term. -unsigned by User:143.117.234.65 (18:49, 30 November 2006)

Zomi merge

The section of Zomi should not be moved to Chin since the Zomi has a broader and inclusive meaning than the Chin which is limited only for the Chin Hills. Zomi would cover the whole area of Chin Hills in Burma, North East in India, Mizoram in India and some parts of Bangladish. The "merge" indicator on the "Zomi" page should be removed. Zomi should still remain. -unsigned by User:Sianpu (07:46, 26 April 2007)

The articles right now are confusing, and since the tag has been up since July of last year, I am going to merge them as splitting them again can be discussed afterwards.--Jorfer 02:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article desperately needs cleanup. Merge discussion might be easier to undertake if the article is more organized. At first glance, it seems to be the same as article Zomi. ZueJay (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Zomi

WHAT or WHO is ZOMI?

By Tg. Thang

Zomi = Chin = Kuki = Mizo

"Zomi" is the term by which we call ourselves. We are also known as "Chin" by the outside world. The Bama people call us Chin, which was adopted by the British (whereas the Zomi call the Bama as Kawl].

The Zomi people live in (1) Zomi State (also known as Chin State) in Myanmar (also known as Burma), (2) Mizoram State and Manipur State in India, and (3) in Bangladesh (formerly known as East Pakistan).

"Mizo" and "Zomi" are inchangeable.

The Zomi people were one of the 4 parties signatory to the Panglong Agreement, i.e., (1) Zomi, represented by the Ukpis (Pu Thawng Za Khup, Pu Hlur Hmung, and Pu Kio Mang), (2) Kachin, represented by the Duwas, (3) Shan, represented by the Sawbwas, and (4) Bama, represented by Aung San.

Why we zomi are called "Chin" while we overselves call "Zomi" since time immemorial? It is a shame that we do not try to reason why we are called "Chin". "Zo" has many meanings. But why "Chin" ? Did we have "chin" in our language? Yes! We have " chin ta ei!". It is finished. It is the end. But, however, couldn't it,"Chin", comes from our ancestors' name "Qin"? It is grueling and difficult to prove why or how. For example, why Qin people once who had founded a dynasty could live half-naked in the very last century? Why? Why? We must scrutinize it.

Here,on the other hand, my friends or brothers, those who live in outer Myanmar, forgive me or comtemplate again and again that "Zo" people are from Myanmar in the very start and if we want to study our history, we must remove all of our prejudice and preassumption such as " "Mizo" and "Zomi" are inchangeable" ". If someone writes that kind again, every Zomi people understands clearly that he views the history of "Zomi", the so-called "Chin", with prejudice. Moreover, we must also study Zomi peoples' history by juxtaposing with Myanmar's history because it too belongs us, too.

It is crystal-clear that we will never be able to unmask our history by repititious proclaiming or writing that "Burmese call us "Chin", but we call ourselves" Zomi"".

Thankyou!. Contact me. penglampu@gmail.com

ZONET

ZONET is a network of Zomis across the world founded in April,2000.

Its mission is to build and promote mutual understanding and trust between the Zomi indigenous peoples who are called by different names such as Chin,Kuki or Lushei, ...etc.

ZONET members can freely post messages and exchange their views/opinions on issues related to Zomi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zomi/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shoute (talk • contribs) 18:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

External links

I have removed the following external links from the article because they apparently were not used in creating the article, and their value as external links is unclear. If one of these links was used in creating the article, please cross it off this list and put it in the article where it belongs using reference tags. Please keep in mind WP:EL and WP:NOT --SueHay 15:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• http://www.manipuronline.com/Features/May2006/zounification16_1.htm [Towards Zo Unification]By L. Keivom IFS (Rtd)
• http://www.members.aol.com/znc21/zomi.html
• https://www.zolite.info.
• http://www.zomi.co.nr/ [Zola]
• http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=3696 [ZRA]
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zomi_National_Congress [ZNC]
• http://www.zogam.net [Zomi Daily Online News]
• http://www.zogam.com [Zomi Online Community]
• http://www.zomistore.com [Zomi Online Store]
• http://www.zokuomthawn.tk [Zomi Sangnaupang Pawlpi, Delhi Journal]
• http://tonsing.zomi.net [tonsingNet]
• http://www.orgsites.com/ny/mung
• http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7798938964281962092&q=paite

Proposed merger Zo/Zou

The two articles Zo (people) and Zou people (India) appear to cover the same ethnic group. I propose that they be merged, eliminating the duplication. Zou seems to be the slightly more common name, but as the Zou (disambiguation) page points out there is also a group known as the "Zou people" in Benin. The ethnic group exists in both Burma and India, so subbing it as (India) seems inappropriate. So there are "Zo people" or "Zo (people)" or "Zou (SE Asia)" or other possibilities for a title. I prefer "Zou (SE Asia)", but I'm open to suggestions and reasoned argument for other titles. --Bejnar (talk) 17:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I just found the Zomi article which also covers this ethnic group. It too should be included in the merger.--Bejnar (talk) 19:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I have tried this before and been reverted here, so apparently there is a difference. Since I have no external knowledge on the matter, I just left it that way.--Jorfer (talk) 18:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Khumpita explained himself on my talk page:

Hi! Sorry for very late discussion. I thought that the Zomi page is worth to keep in its original setting and the Zo (people) is rather to be merged. Being the native, when we say "Zomi", it is a general term to refer to the whole people inhabiting present Chin State of Myanmar (Burma), part of Chittagong region of Bengladesh, present Mizo State and part of present Manipur of greater India as the "Zo" (as it looks in the article) would be a term to refer to a specific minor clan within the greater Zomi though there's no striking difference within the word itself from linguistic point of view. However, it is about the common usage. So, please, see that i have edited the former redirection. Sorry if it's borthering you. Khumpita (talk) 14:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

--Jorfer (talk) 18:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Unfortunately Khumpita is not a current contributor. It is not clear what exactly is the specific minor clan to which Khumpita refers. I can understand that many of these peoples would and do resent having a general name applied to the whole group, when that name is derived from the name of a specific smaller unit within the group. Much like calling all white people anglos, even though the Angles may have contributed only a small part of the genetic material in the larger group. The way these three articles are written now (June 2009), the distinction is not preserved. My feeling would be to use Zomi as the general term and the main article title for the group. --Bejnar (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• Merge all into Zomi - I agree. He had a problem with Zomi being merged into Zo (people) and not the other way around. Since Zo (people) does not seem to be an official translation like Germans, moving to Zomi seems the most appropriate course of action. Zomi was the term he was familiar with, so we should use that term. Given that, it appears he derived what Zo (people) was from the article. Not knowing whether Zomi is derived from a smaller group called the Zo or whether the articles are just poorly written will make it challenging to integrate. We should still do our best and then eventually someone else familiar with the matter will see it and fix it.--Jorfer (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

LET IT BE AS IT IS: The same ethnic group of the people call themselves Zou in India and and Zo in Myanmar. Zou is a recognised tribe in India but they used Zou as well as Zo when they write their story. Merging of the two is a good Idea, but i preferred to be as it is for the time being. On the other hand, merging of the two in to Zomi is not the right thing to do, as Zomi is a nomenclature for different tribes in India.

- [zolengthe.net]

Please could you identify the Zomi tribe in India that is distinct from the Zo people. It would be best if you could provide a citation to a scholarly work, such as one in anthropology. In searching, I did not immediately identify another Indian tribal group known as the Zomi. Thanks. --Bejnar (talk) 21:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

LET ME MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AND CLEAR AS POSSIBLE: It is a very complicated and confusing history. Zomi stands for Zo People (Zo is our progenitor and Mi stands for people). There is a tribe call Zou in India concentrated in Manipur State. The Zou tribe named themselves as Zomi Sangnaupang Pawlpi, United Zomi Organisation, Zomi Holy Bible since the 50s.

There are also another recognised tribe like Paite, Vaiphei, Simte, Tedim etc (same culture, same traditions, same dialects but slightly different due to the variation of dwelling places). These tribes gradually come to know that they are also the decendant of our progenitor Zo/Zou. Since Zou is a recognised tribe in Manipur State, India. These othere tibes being a bit advance than the Zou in education dont want to accept or call themselves as Zou, therefore the spelling ZO comes up. At the same time ZO and MI was vlub together and ZOMI is now internationally claim as a Nomenclature for the Zo decendants who were recodnized by the Government of Manipur, India with different names.

Zo and Zou is the same and one and Zomi comes from it, but for the time being it is advisable to let it sands as it it, because it can create a very big confussion amonst ourselves.

- [[[www.zolengthe.net]]]

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Re: Merging Zou people (India) wth Zo people (Burma)

Both Zou (India) and Zo (Burma) refer to the same ethnic group of people, sharing common dialect and kinship system. But the ethnographic position of Zou (Benin) vis-a-vis the other Zo/Zou is unknown. Here finding a common term (nomenclature) is a problem. Neither Zou (South Asia) nor Zou (S.E.Asia)would be inclusive of both India and Burma.

To my knowledge, ethnographic or anthropological literature on expansive terms like Zomi and Zo do not exist. In Manipur (India), Zomi (Zo) is a modern political movement that unites allied tribes like Paite, Zou, Vaiphei, Simte, Sukte (Sahte), etc. While there is a small ethnic entity called Zo (Burma),current scholarly literature employs Zo as a common name. Eg.

Dr. Vumson (1986) Zo History,

Sing Khaw Khai (1995) Zo people and their culture,

Khup Za Go (2008) Zo Chronicles: A Documentary Study of the Kuki-Chin-Lushai tribe, Delhi: Mittal Publications.

T. Gougin (1985) History of the Zomi, Churachandpur, Manipur.

Thangkhangin Ngaihte (1979) History of the Zomi of Mizoram and the surrounding areas: Aspects of precolonial society, (dissertation) Centre for Historical Studies: Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi.

L.S. Gangte, Zomi polity in transition: A case study of Manipur, (dissertation) Centre for Political Studies, JN University, New Delhi.

The generic terms Zo or Zomi are interchangable in the above scholarly works. In contrast, Zou is a legal identity (a recognised "scheduled tribe" in Indian Constitution) within India federal polity. While the Zou in India and Burma have common culture, there is so much divergences in their historical experience and social formation since the late British colonial rule. After Independence from the British Raj, communication across international boundaries became even more difficult. It is not easy to merge the socioecolomic developments and social formations of the Zou in India and Burma during the postcolonial period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.60.134 (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Which article where

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Burma (Myanmar)#Common name of "Zo" or "Zou". --Bejnar (talk) 21:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Zo & Chin are different

Zomi and Chin DO NOT mean the same thing. Zo is a subcategory under Chin. You people need to stop writing your suppositions and guesses as facts. ConradWalterSmith (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Zomi flag

Do we have documentation of the Zomi flag on Wikipedia? It's shown in the last photo of this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/27/dining/burmese-food-tulsa.html 173.88.246.138 (talk) 04:14, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

I guess we do have the flag here. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 04:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Should this article be semi-protected? I don't think so as it is not vandalized often. Sangsangaplaz (talk) 13:42, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2023

Zo people designate the following identity groups: Mizo, Zomi, Kuki, Chin. Hence, the term Zo people can be followed by these identity groups: For instance, Zo people (Chin, Kuki, Mizo, Zomi) instead of writing Zo people/Kuki. Zogamstmt (talk) 08:22, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 02:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2023

Zo is a collective name for the kuki and Zo is not kuki, the word Zo/kuki should be removed and only Zo should be written Fckscums (talk) 05:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 08:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2023 (2)

Zo to Zomi 45.127.138.67 (talk) 08:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Change Zo to Zomi

Who tf changed this ? 45.127.138.67 (talk) 08:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2023

It's Zomi people and not Zo alone 45.248.28.48 (talk) 15:05, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. M.Bitton (talk) 22:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)