Template:Did you know nominations/Übers Gebirg Maria geht

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The result was: promoted by Montanabw^(talk) 18:01, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Übers Gebirg Maria geht

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Frans Francken: De Visitatie

~~... that Johannes Eccard composed Übers Gebirg Maria geht (Over the mountains Mary goes), a paraphrase of her visit (pictured), as a motet for five voices?~~

Reviewed: Victoria Bricker

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 00:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC).

Aticle is long enough and posted by due date. Hook is interesting, cited and verified. No copy vio noted. Text is neutral. Img is freely licenced. QPQ done. Good to go.Nvvchar. 12:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

I just took a look at this article, and there is no indication of when the composition was created (or published). Is Eccard a modern composer? Romantic? Earlier? There's no clue, and this is just about the most basic information there is. I don't see how this can run without it (see WP:DYKSG#D7). I'd also like to suggest adding "to Elizabeth" after "her visit" in the hook's final wikilink, since a visit is naturally uninteresting, especially as most people will not know what this refers to. (You could also replace "her visit" with "the Visitation", which at least clues people in that this is an important thing, even if they don't know what it is.) More interesting would be that this was composed for the Feast of the Visitation, but is now commonly used during Advent, but the latter fact is not sourced in the article and would need a secondary source to be included in a hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I keep forgetting that people know more less where to put Bruckner and his Locus iste, but not Eccard and his motet which is perhaps even more famous,- just look at the many recordings (external link AllMusic), mostly in Advent-Christmas connections. The most unusual thing about it is the five parts, - at least for a singer. Compare Bach's Magnificat, one of the very few pieces he wrote for five parts, among hundreds for four parts. For that piece, we had a hook about Visitation and Christmas, - it would be a bit boring to repeat, no? Also, as the feast of the visitation is no major feast any more, you have to use it somewhere ;) - Will add a bit about the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I added a bit, but nowhere could I find a certain date of first publication. I would be grateful if it could appear before Christmas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

It looks like there is no information on when and where it was composed; its first publication appears to be posthumous, in 1644. The key thing is that the article now identifies him as a Renaissance composer. Unfortunately, I've made just enough additions and changes to the article that I would feel uncomfortable approving it, so I'm going to hope that Yoninah would be willing to check this and, if approved, move it to the December 24 special occasion area, so this appears before Christmas Day. Here's how the hook would look with my suggestions above:

ALT1: ... that Johannes Eccard composed Übers Gebirg Maria geht (Over the mountains Mary goes), a paraphrase of her Visit (pictured) to Elisabeth, as a motet for five voices?

Reviewer needed to check the hooks and give final approval. Many thanks. (Note that while I prefer the spelling "Elizabeth", and that's how the main article on her spells it, this article on the motet uses "Elisabeth", so I've gone with that.) BlueMoonset (talk) 05:40, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for great additions and precision to the article. I hesitated to include Elisabeth because then pictured looks as if she was pictured. (Can we get away fromhaving to mention pictured in hooks, now that we have the caption?) We might have "Visit", to show that it's a very special visit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Everything looks in order now. All of BlueMoonset's additions are cited and ALT1 offline hook ref is AGF and cited inline. Image is public domain. I capitalized "Visit" per Gerda's suggestion and moved (pictured) to after "Visit" to make that clearer. Good to go for December 24. Yoninah (talk) 09:48, 22 December 2015 (UTC)