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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 11:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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1630 Crete earthquake, Kythira Strait

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Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), and Cplakidas (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 15:11, 16 May 2015 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough, meets core content policies. Hook cited to RS. GTG. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 20:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@Jakec: Could you re-review a triple hook suggestion with

ALT1: ... that in 1988, K. G. Tsiknakis published two previously unpublished accounts of the 1630 Crete earthquake, which occurred in the Kythira Strait, in the Cretica Chronica? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Note: I added credit templates for the two additional articles – each of the four originally credited users is credited for all three articles. Please add or remove any credit templates, as appropriate. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • For whatever reason, DYK rules mandate that all the articles mention the hook fact; only one does. The Cretica Chronica is also too short at 940 characters (and under-referenced). That said, the Kythira Strait article would be much better as a standalone hook: something along the lines of ... that the Kythira Strait is one of the most dangerous navigational hazards in the Mediterranean? --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 16:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

--Rosiestep (talk) 23:19, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Rosiestep, I was going to ping Jakob to take a look at ALT2, but instead I think there needs to be work done on the Kythira Strait article; in the Earthquakes and tsunami section, the final sentence is problematic, and "upto" is not a word. I will say that contrary to Jakob's statement, DYK rules do not mandate that each hook fact is mentioned in all of the articles of a multi-article hook, so I don't think that particular earthquake needs to be included in the Kythira article, where it would probably be considered "undue". BlueMoonset (talk) 07:07, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: thanks for looking at it. I think I've taken care of the mentioned issues, but if I missed something, please ping me. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:17, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Rosiestep, the new edits help a great deal. I've made a couple of very minor additional changes and added a "citation needed" template for the list of ships in the intro, which will need to be resolved. (Any chance of there being more ancient ships known to have been wrecked there?) For that second intro paragraph, "several" is far too weak for a strait that has been the location of shipwrecks since Classical Antiquity; I'd say "many" at a minimum, and your sourcing will likely allow for an even stronger word or phrase. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Jakob, could you please check the proposed ALT2, now that Rosiestep has resolved the above issues? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
  • The hook is verified in the earthquake article. One question about the strait article though: the placement of the only citation in the geography section makes it unclear if it's supporting the entire section up to that point (which should be okay) or only part of a single sentence (which is not okay). I still think that the hook should be split, with the Kyrithra Strait using the hook I proposed and the earthquake article should use ALT0. The Kyrithra Strait hook is by far the most interesting of these alts. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 11:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Since nobody has responded in two weeks, I am restoring my original tick and unstriking the original hook. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 17:26, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • The article doesn't say anything about it being south of Palaiochora. Yoninah (talk) 18:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: @Jakec: Added the text and fixed a reference. I have also made changes in the Kythira Strait article by deleting the controversial part of the sentence. I am now proposing a separate hook for the Kythira Strait as suggested by user talk:Jakec ... that the Kythira Strait is one of the most dangerous navigational hazards in the Mediterranean? --Nvvchar. 20:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • OK. Offline hook ref AGF for "south of Palaiochora". ALT0 good to go. @Nvvchar: could you open a new nomination for Kythira Strait, please? Yoninah (talk) 20:20, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
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