Template:Did you know nominations/2015 attack in Thalys train car

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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 03:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

2015 Thalys train attack

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Four awarded men with French President François Hollande

... that in the Thalys train heading to Paris, when the attacker's rifle was jammed, six passengers (four pictured) were able to subdue him, ending the attack with five injuries, including the attacker?

ALT1:... that six men were awarded Legion of Honour (four pictured) for subduing the perpetrator in the Thalys train heading to Paris, which ended the 2015 Thalys train attack attack with five injuries, including the perpetrator himself?
Reviewed: Shekou, Shenzhen
Comment: Failed ITN nomination

Created by Unibond (talk), Sandra opposed to terrorism (talk), Callinus (talk), and Wikimandia (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 03:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC).

Article has five {{citation needed}} tags that need to be addressed. sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 01:44, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Right now there are two. George Ho (talk) 16:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Still unacceptable. You may consider removing the text altogether. sst^flyer 08:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Added another citation and then removed uncited one. George Ho (talk) 08:32, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I switched a photo with a better one. George Ho (talk) 08:10, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

The above review was not a complete review, so I went through and reviewed the whole article from scratch. Length and nomination date check out. No copy-vios or other policy violations regarding the content. QPQ done. Image is used within policy, is in the article, and displays well. I consider the first hook very wordy, and I did a bit of minor cleanup on Alt 1, which I approve (if the minor cleanup I did, though it made little change to the hook content disqualifies me from approving, then please, another editor sign off on it).--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:48, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

3family6, the hook is 212 characters excluding the "(four pictured)", well above the DYK maximum. Even when I discount the duplicate use of "attack" at the end of the bold link, it's 205 characters. I've struck ALT1; George Ho, can you please supply a new hook? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:55, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Here are more ALTs below:

ALT2: ... that six men were made Knights of the Legion of Honour (ceremony pictured) for their heroism during the attack on the Thalys train heading to Paris?

ALT2: ... that five men were made Knights of the Legion of Honour (ceremony pictured) for their heroism during the attack on the Thalys train heading to Paris?

ALT3: ... that six men subdued the perpetrator of the attack on the Thalys train heading to Paris, which had no fatalities, and then were made Knights of the Legion of Honour (ceremony pictured)?
ALT4: ... that six men subdued the perpetrator of the attack on the Thalys train heading to Paris, in which four people were injured, and then were made Knights of the Legion of Honour (ceremony pictured)?

George Ho (talk) 21:29, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

George Ho, I've edited the hooks so "attack on the Thalys train" is the bold link; since the article is "2015 Thalys train attack" is makes no sense to fail to include "Thalys train" in the article link. If people want to know the meaning of Thalys, it will be there in the bolded article. I've also relabeled the second ALT3 as ALT4, and revised the death/injury clauses, since they had wording problems and couldn't have passed as is. I'm not sure why you've gone from "six" to "several", so I left that unchanged, although the lack of a firm number makes the hook inherently less interesting. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:46, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

As I was checking, five men were already given the honours, while the sixth guy (anonymous) was supposed to be given the honour at an unknown later date. I changed from "several" to "six". George Ho (talk) 00:24, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

George, as the article says with Damian A. expected to be similarly honored at a later date, you can't simply say "six" and "were" as if it had definitely already happened to all six. You need confirmation that Damian has already been made a Knight, sourced and in the article, or a different wording will be required. Sorry, but we can't state things we don't know to be completely accurate. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:06, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Here are more ALTs below; I struck above ones but made ALT2 fresher.

ALT6:... that six men subdued the gunman of the attack on the Thalys train heading to Paris, which ended with four injuries, including the perpetrator himself?
ALT7: ... that five men were made Knights of the Legion of Honour (ceremony pictured) for subduing the gunman of the attack on the Thalys train heading to Paris, although one more male helped the subduing?
ALT8: ... that the suspect who was subdued by six men during the train attack heading to Paris was shown in handcuffs in trial (prior to conviction), which is illegal in France?

George Ho (talk) 23:06, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Reviews still needed of all the remaining hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

If all that remains is to review and confirm the hooks I've done that. All are in the article and sourced. I'm assuming that the assailant's injury is when he was beaten over the head until unconscious. I'm giving the AGF tick, because some of the sourcing is in French. Hope this does it. — Maile (talk) 22:40, 24 October 2015 (UTC)