Template:Did you know nominations/Albruna

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 01:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Albruna

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... that Albruna, a possible Germanic pagan priestess, may haunt modern scholarship as a "ghost name"?
- ALT1: ... that Albruna may have scared the Roman general Drusus so much that he turned back with his legions and soon died?
- ALT2: ... that it is not known whether Albruna was a pagan Germanic priestess or a goddess?
- ALT3: ... that it is not known whether Albruna was her correct name, or a misunderstanding?

5x expanded by Berig (talk). Self-nominated at 14:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC).

Comment (not a review): I started looking at this, but realised I am very much not familiar with this area and don't feel entirely confident undertaking a review. I do like the hooks and it's an intriguing subject for an article! I wanted to flag the following comments, in case they are helpful (please ignore if not!):

I don't quite follow this sentence in the lead: "Moreover, it is still pointed out that the emendation Albruna agrees with the names of other Germanic wise women."
Should "instriptions" (before the Drusus heading) be "inscriptions"?
Should the names of scholars be wikilinked, where there is a page for the author (e.g. Simek)?
What does mss mean, and could this be explained when it is first referenced?
The second paragraph of the Aurinia section has two sentences starting with "However" in a row, which is a bit awkward to read.

Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Chocmilk03, thank you! Very good feedback! I have changed the text per your suggestions, and I hope that you find the text in the lead improved.–Berig (talk) 11:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment I'm also not conducting a review at this time, but I just wanted to comment on the QPQ requirement. @Berig:, are you aware of the QPQ requirement in WP:DYKCRIT (specifically, #5)? I see that as of two days ago, you just reached five DYK credits, so it appears that you are no longer exempt. Are you intending to conduct a DYK review soon? Feel free to reach out if you need help or advice. Edge3 (talk) 01:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I have been vaguely aware of it, and a few days ago, I had a try at my first review: Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Reiter.―Berig (talk) 09:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Full review needed now that a QPQ has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Seems to meet 5x requirements (from 396 words to 2394 words of readable text, 2453 characters up to 14,432 all during period of 7 days prior to nom), long enough, seems neutral and reasonably sourced. Earwig says 0.0, QPQ met. Of the four proposed hooks, I'm not seeing any problems with ALT1 but the other hooks, being somewhat nebulous seem to have somewhat nebulous sourcing. I can't help but think we have a punchier hook somewhere here. BusterD (talk) 08:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment: how about
- ALT4: "...that Roman general Drusus's campaign in Germania was halted by Albruna, a woman of “superhuman size,” who spoke to him in his own language and prophesied his death?" Ideas, User:Berig? BusterD (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
  - ALT4a: ...that Albruna may have been the woman of "superhuman size" who stopped the Roman general Drusus's campaign in Germania by prophesying his death?―Berig (talk) 20:26, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
    - I'm thinking the word "may" will be a click killer, while more accurate. Are we on the right track at least? BusterD (talk) 20:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
      - ALT4b: " ...that Albruna may have been the woman of "superhuman size" who stopped Roman general Drusus's campaign in Germania by prophesying his death?
      - ALT4c: " ...that Albruna may be the name of a barbarian woman of "superhuman size" who stopped Roman general Drusus's campaign in Germania by prophesying his death? BusterD (talk) 20:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree!—Berig (talk) 20:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

So we agree on ALT4c? IMHO the usage of "may" in this alt makes the claim sound more mysterious as opposed to properly qualifing the statement. BusterD (talk) 20:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Just chiming here to say I prefer ALT4b, as being a bit more concise & easy to follow; 4c is trying to pack slightly too much in IMO. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I am fine with both. We should probably go with ALT4b, as Chocmilk03 suggests.—Berig (talk) 21:26, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Good to go with ALT4b. Meets all review criteria. Wish we had an image, but we don't. BusterD (talk) 21:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

@Berig: could you make sure everything in ALT4b is cited inline at the end of the relevant sentences before I promote? Also, I'm missing where it says that Albruna prophesied the general's death... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 08:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Theleekycauldron, you find everything referenced in the section Drusus. As for the prophesying of Drusus' death it is in the more detailed account of the prophecy in the extract from Cassius Dio "But depart ; for the end alike of thy labours and of thy life is already at hand." (Cary's translation). Please, tell me if you need more.–Berig (talk) 09:46, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

ALT4b to T:DYK/P6