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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:49, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Alceste (Schweitzer)
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Wieland in 1791
- ... that the opera Alceste, composed by Anton Schweitzer, is regarded as a milestone on the way to German opera, with its libretto by Wieland (pictured)? Source: "spricht von einem Meilenstein auf dem Weg zur 'deutschen Oper' auch, weil alles an Alceste deutsch ist: der Text, die Musik, die Künstler; (one speaks of a milestone on the way to German opera, because everything about Alceste is German, the text, the music, the performers), and others
- Reviewed: Mannenberg
- Comment: Not so often that an opera is more famous for the librettist than the composer. We could say that Mozart regarded it as the first German opera, but the source is offline, and I know only the translation, not the original.
5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:16, 27 July 2017 (UTC).
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Overall:
Looks good, although the hook could be more informative ("hooky").
@Gerda Arendt: How would you feel about
ALT1: ...that
Alceste, composed by
Anton Schweitzer to a libretto by
Wieland (pictured), is regarded as a milestone of German opera because it was the first to be completely in German?
or
ALT2: ...that opera Alceste, composed by Anton Schweitzer (with libretto by Wieland (pictured)), was the first opera to be completely in German?Regards
SoWhy 09:24, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion, only it wasn't the first completely in German, sorry. We could say that it is probably the only opera better known for its librettist than the composer, so he should not be in brackets ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
- Then the source is confusing though because it speaks of it being a milestone because everything about it was German. Can you clarify? Regards SoWhy 10:29, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
- My English ... - it's just that "everything about it was German" has no "first" in it. Dafne was (probably) first completely in German, but no music survived. - I avoided the repetition of "opera" in ALT1, and used the standard wording. It still doesn't work, because I don't know anybody who regards it as the first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: We can speak German (you know I'm German as well?) if you want but that does not prevent my confusion. You are correct that the source does not say "first" but then why is it considered a milestone? The source says it's a milestone because "everything about Alceste is German" but you say that this is true of Dafne as well which was created first. Basically, my point is: Why is it a milestone if it was not the first? As for the other idea, the article does not actually say that the opera is better known for its librettist than for its composer, so that's currently not an alternative. Regards SoWhy 07:16, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
- Did you ever hear the composer's name before? I didn't until I met the lead singer, while Wieland, like Goethe and Shakespeare, is one of the poets I know by last name only. I don't want to make that a hook, just explain why the image is the poet's and not the composer's. When we say why the opera is a milestone, we said it all, - why would people click? Dafne, to my understanding, was not performed by Germans, but the Italian troup at the Dresden court, + the music is lost, so we don't know much about it, and no Nationaltheater ideas behind it. - On vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I honestly never heard either name but then again, I'm not really into opera. But then how aboutALT3: ...that Alceste, composed by Anton Schweitzer to a libretto by Wieland (pictured), is regarded as a milestone of German opera because it was the first to be both completely in German as well as performed by Germans?That would fit the source and could easily be added to the article's text. Regards SoWhy 13:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
- You could simply compare the articles on the two creators in English ;) - I don't particularly like that hook, as explained just above: if we say already why what remains to click for? I am also opposed to three times "German" in one hook, - I find one almost too many. Sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Good point. I'll just 
for the original hook with no prejudice against someone suggesting a better one. Regards SoWhy 13:49, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Looks good, although the hook could be more informative ("hooky").@Gerda Arendt: How would you feel aboutALT1: ...that Alceste, composed by Anton Schweitzer to a libretto by Wieland (pictured), is regarded as a milestone of German opera because it was the first to be completely in German?orALT2: 