Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony (Sevryuk)

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Anthony (Sevryuk)

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Anthony (Sevryuk) in Kiev in 2019

... that in his youth Sevryuk (pictured) volunteered as an altar server at the Holy Resurrection Cathedral of Tver? "Иеромонах Антоний (Севрюк): О Вечном Городе, духовном стержне и Святейшем Патриархе" [Anthony (Sevryuk): About the Eternal City, the spiritual core and the Holy Patriarch] (in Russian). 10 July 2012. Retrieved 30 October 2019.
- ALT1:... that when he was ordained a Russian Orthodox Bishop, Sevryuk (pictured) was given the name Anthony after Anthony of Rome? "Антоний, митрополит Корсунский и Западноевропейский (Севрюк Антон Юрьевич)" (in Russian). Retrieved 30 October 2019.

Reviewed: Tadjuddin Noor

Created by Inter&anthro (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

Would it be possible to propose another hook? Right now, as it's written, it might not appeal to those unfamiliar with Orthodox Christianity, since it doesn't really say much about him that could easily catch attention. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

That's a valid concern, I'm trying to brainstorm another hook right now. The problem is that since the article is about an Orthodox bishop and most of the text in the article deals with that, it will be hard to come up with a hook that appeals to readers unfamiliar with the topic. Inter&anthro (talk) 13:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT1 is better, but is not exactly spectacular. Would like to hear second opinions about it, though. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:47, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

ALT1a: ... that Primate Sevryuk took the religious name name Anthony, after Anthony of Rome, when he was ordained a Bishop by the Russian Orthodox?
ALT2: ... that Primate Sevryuk was tonsured twice by Patriarch Kirill of Moscow? ~ R.T.G 00:29, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Query: why has the spelling been changed from "Sevryuk" to "Svryuk" in the most recent ALT hooks? The spelling without the "e" is not used anywhere in the nominated article, and we shouldn't be using a spelling in the hook that isn't in the article. Pinging RTG, who first used that spelling in ALT1a and ALT2. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Typo. Fixed now sorry. ~ R.T.G 16:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that Orthodox Primate Anthony has spent most of his pastoral career in predominantly Roman Catholic areas? --evrik ^(talk) 18:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

When this was proposed, it was new enough and long enough. The QPQ was done. @Narutolovehinata5: what do you think of Alt 3? --evrik ^(talk) 18:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

It sounds interesting and could possibly work as a hook (it's probably the best option at this point), but speaking as someone who's not familiar with Orthodoxy, I'm not sure if it might be too commonplace. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Anyone else want to weigh in? --evrik ^(talk) 21:31, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I would be willing to approve some version of ALT3, but I'd like to know first from an expert in Orthodoxy if Orthodox clergy being assigned to predominantly Catholic areas is commonplace or not. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:47, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

@Чръный человек: @Veverve: pinging two editors who might have something to add to Narutolovehinata5's concern, if not I am sorry for bothering you. Inter&anthro (talk) 03:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

As far as I know, it is common practice, mostly because of Eastern Orthodox immigrants. See for example: Philippine Orthodox Church, Greek Orthodox Metropolis of France, Spanish-Portuguese diocese, Russian Orthodox Diocese of Chersonesus. Veverve (talk) 10:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

And I would rather use "Eastern Orthodox Primate Anthony" than the ambiguous "Orthodox" which may be mistaken with Oriental Orthodox Churches. Veverve (talk) 10:46, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. @Inter&anthro: For a hook, if you can find more information about which specific Catholic areas he had been assigned to previously, then that could be added. Another possibility could be another hook but one about his views on Catholic-Orthodox relations. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:39, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't seem particularly common to me, being in Australia. Eastern Orthodox bishops in the US would also not necessarily be in predominantly Roman Catholic areas. And why not say "Russian Orthodox Primate Anthony"? I don't know about other places, but certainly in Australia, the churches, dioceses, eparchies, etc, are referred to separately as eg the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia, the Serbian Orthodox Eparchy of Australia and New Zealand, the Russian Orthodox Diocese of Sydney, Australia and New Zealand, etc. "Eastern Orthodox" doesn't seem as informative. But then, I don't understand why the box at the bottom of the article has the heading "Eastern Orthodox Church titles", when the titles listed are all Russian Orthodox Church titles. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:28, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

ALT3a: ... that Eastern Orthodox Primate Anthony has spent most of his pastoral career in predominantly Roman Catholic areas? --evrik ^(talk) 03:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

When this was proposed, it was new enough and long enough. QPQ was done. No close paraphrasing or copyright issues. Hook (ALT3a) is fine. -KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2019 (UTC)