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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 17:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC).
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Arnold Horween
edit- ... that Arnold Horween married his wife because Harvard beat Yale in a football game?
- Reviewed: A. M. B. H. G. Abeyrathnebanda
5x expanded by Epeefleche (talk). Self nominated at 06:25, 24 March 2013 (UTC).
Article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. My only quibble is with the hook which I think would be better as -
- ALT1 ... that Arnold Horween married his wife in 1928 because Harvard beat Yale in a football game that year? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. They say more or less the same thing. I prefer the original because it is: a) shorter, and b) hookier (we don't have to spell everything out in a hook ... it is the nature of the hook to seek to "hook" the reader with a tantalizing bit). Stuff like "in 1928" is certainly clutter -- we are not seeking to stuff as much detail as possible in, and that and the other extra words don't seem to me to make it any "hookier". But I defer to whoever promotes it, of course.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:55, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Needs another reviewer to check ALT1 and to opine on the relative merits of the two hooks, although as Epeefleche notes it will ultimately be up to the promoter. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:34, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- My objection to the original hook is that it is untrue. He married his wife because he wanted to marry her. It was the timing of the event that depended on the Harvard/Yale result. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- It's not untrue. It was a sine qua non. They agreed to marry when -- and only when -- Harvard beat Yale. An indispensable and essential precedent. No victory over Yale -- no marriage. And of course -- remember, this is a hook. Encouraging the reader to read the article to learn more.
- As our DYK instructions state: "When you write the hook, please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article. An interesting hook is more likely to draw in a variety of readers. Shorter hooks are preferred to longer ones, as long as they don't misstate the article content." (emph added).--Epeefleche (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
All checks out. Definitely should be the first hook IMO - Hillbillyholiday talk 09:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- That's OK by me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- As our DYK instructions state: "When you write the hook, please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article. An interesting hook is more likely to draw in a variety of readers. Shorter hooks are preferred to longer ones, as long as they don't misstate the article content." (emph added).--Epeefleche (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
