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The result was: rejected by Moswento talky 12:41, 19 February 2013 (UTC).
per the reasons given by BlueMoonset

Around the World (Christina Aguilera song)

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Created by FanofPopMusic (talk). Nominated by Calvin999 (talk) at 15:43, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

The article is new enough, contains enough characters and the hook is interesting and sourced. Good to go. — Tomíca(T2ME) 11:19, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
  • This article, like many of songs from Aguilera's Lotus, reproduces its Background section. In this case, an identical or near-identical section appears in two of the three other current song article nominations: "Cease Fire" and "Circles". ("Best of Me" is more similar to "Sing for Me". These identical sections require the invocation of WP:DYKSG#A5: "If some of the text was copied from another Wikipedia article, then it must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article." The overlap is with "Cease Fire" is 2278 characters and with "Circles" is 2124 characters, meaning a 5x expansion requires 10620 or 11390 prose characters long. The article is currently 5237, less than half the smaller of these numbers.
I also wonder whether this article qualifies under WP:NSONG. All 17 songs on the deluxe edition of Lotus have now been given articles, and I find it hard to believe that all are notable. 16 of 17 of the album's songs charted in the South Korean the week the album debuted, 12 of these in the 101–200 range, and only for one week: "Around the World" charted at 158 on the basis of sales of 1958, which strikes me as dubious notability. I'm going to ask for opinions at WT:DYK regarding both article notability and text reuse. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Each Background is written differently and each has different info about the recording. It is not copied word for word, thus dispelling the notion of your quote. I can't help that "Cease Fire" and "Circles" have identical ones to one of the others, you can blame FanofPopMusic for copy and pasting what I originally created, I had nothing to do with the creation of those two articles. If you want me to, I will re-write those articles completely. The background info is essential to the articles because she talks about how the album is a sort of rebirth, and a lot of the songs and reviews talk about this specifically, as well as other events in the background. If you have each and every article (at least which I have written), you would know this. And you need to educate yourself, Bluemoonset, with WP:NSONG, as you would know that each song has charted and each has received a lot of information, so don't give me that. Where songs chart are irrelevant, as you are basically saying that only more successful chartings should be allowed, which is not true. This is a new article, not an expanded article, as it was created from a redirect which never had content before, not a pre-existing article which has been worked on.  — AARON • TALK 11:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Duplication detector finds well over 2200 identical characters in multi-word phrases from the pre-existing article "Cease Fire", also written by FanofPopMusic: this is old material, and does not count as new for DYK even if it is in a new article. Per WP:DYKSG#A5, pre-existing material that is included in a new article must itself be expanded 5x, and such an expansion would require well over 11000 prose characters, or double the article's current length of 5674. I don't see any way of this article getting there, and given Aaron's inability to understand this point, I don't see any chance of the article getting there. In this case notability is irrelevant: the bulk of the background is being reused, and DYK rules say you can't reuse old material without balancing it with a 5x expansion of that old material. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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