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The result was: rejected by —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 05:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC).

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Created by Titodutta (talk). Self nominated at 21:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC).

  • There are a few problems with this article. It has 1587 characters, and 1278 of them are on controversies/criticism of the hospital. The only details on the hospital given in the article are it's location, and mentioning that it's attached to another hospital and a university with no further details. Is there no other information and sources to be found on the hospital itself? As the article currently stands, it looks like the hospital fails the notability requirements outlined here. Personally I think the article should be called Criticism of the Bangur Institute of Neurosciences or something along those lines, and not an article on the hospital itself to avoid giving the impression of a WP:COATRACK. Also, most of the last paragraph is a direct quote from one of the sources (356 characters - which is not counted for DYK), which leaves the article short of the required length at 1231 characters. Chamal T•C 04:33, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Length should be ok now, but I'm still not sure about balance so I'll leave this to another reviewer. Chamal T•C 00:14, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Not yet:
  1. This is the best government sponsored neurological hospital of West Bengal. - According to whom? Based on the controversy section, this is debatable.
  2. Grammar is stilted
  3. Who is Mamata Banerjee
  4. Extensive controversy and criticism section at this stage in development is undue.
  5. What makes Shyamapada Ghorai's firing important enough to be mentioned? Based on what's in the article, it may not be worth mentioning. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
  6. The lengthy quote can be paraphrased.
  7. I'm getting deadlinks to the sources as well. Based on some of the signs I see, I'm worried there may be close paraphrasing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I have made some changes (1 *wording "best to "major", though it IS the best, don't ignore the word best "government sponsored". If you know about the condition of government run health institutions in this country, you'll get the joke), 3 (CM of West Bengal, article was linked, I have added a short descriptor), 4 (merge), 5 (yes, that was an important event, the hospital reportedly became worse after that firing). I could add lots of information of faculty (professors, doctors, researchers) or programs regularly conducted by the hospital or their workshop details, but avoided these as 1) "promotional", "non-encyclopedic" 2) I had to use mostly primary sources. What do you think? It is unfortunate that we don't have enough citations online to write on the best "government sponsored" neurological hospital of state and one of the bests of the country! --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't mind the primary sources all that much, actually. This is likely notable even with no secondary sources. Try adding a bit about the staff and facilities, we can massage it to be more neutral afterwards. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
  • The information I have collected from local library etc is of 2010-2011, there are good chances those are backdated (especially after the suspension of Ghorai). What do you suggest? --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Pardon? Well, does the institution have a history page about it? That could be a good source. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:53, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Several of the above issues have been resolved by edits to the article. Additional rewriting is still needed to address the issues with English language expression and to tighten up the discussion of the disarray in the hospital after the 2011 firing of the director. I don't have time to work on those changes right now, but I intend to do so. --Orlady (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, they have... and I agree, it needs some more tightening. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:53, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
  • It's been a week, and it still needs to be rewritten. Currently, the language is simply too awkward to let this article pass.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 20:24, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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