Template:Did you know nominations/Claude Raguet Hirst

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The result was: promoted by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2013 (UTC).

Claude Raguet Hirst

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... that while Claude Raguet Hirst's painting A Gentleman's Table (pictured) was commissioned by a men's club, it offers a subtle critique of male culture?

Reviewed: Winsor McCay

Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self nominated at 08:12, 3 April 2013 (UTC).

The article is within the time frame
It meets length requirements
It is newly created
It is neutral
It has proper citations

Hook

Interesting
Within length requirement. , properly formatted.

BUT the hook fact needs an inline citation immediately following the relevant sentence.

NOTE: Minor error of expression in the text of the article. "Alcoholism" is not a "pursuit'. It is an illness. The pursuit is "drinking".

Also, I feel that a little more weight could be given to the moralistic nature of the work by contrasting it with Harnett's, e.g. the presence of empty bottles indicating heavy drinking. One more sentence, to back up the point mad in the hook.

Amandajm (talk) 08:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I've adjusted the wording and tried to flesh out the description of the painting. The hook fact is now immediately followed by an inline citation. Gobōnobō ⁺ ^c 18:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Overall, this looks splendid. However, I think the bit about A Gentleman's Table is not written in a suitable tone. It states "condoned the male culture" and "the male pursuits of gambling and drinking", which are not statements of fact. Linking masculinity to a specific culture of gambling and drinking should be attributed to the reviewer in the book, in order to maintain neutrality.—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 21:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I've reframed the passages in question so that the assertions are attributed to the author. Gobōnobō ⁺ ^c 21:27, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Better! But who is this reviewer, and why should an encyclopedia take not of her writings? A little more context surrounding this Evans would be helpful, I think. It's important you do that, because the hook contains subjective matter in which case it's important to be certain the source has enough authority and credibility. —♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 13:34, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Martha Evans is an art historian (PhD Columbia) who wrote what I believe is the definitive biographical treatment of Hirst. The book Claude Raguet Hirst: Transforming The American Still Life was commissioned by the Columbus Museum of Art. I think the only subjective bit in the hook is the mild observation that the work "offers a subtle critique of male culture" which is supported by the reference. I don't have access to Evans' CV and while I looked through the DYK rules, I am not entirely clear what sort of context you're looking for. Gobōnobō ⁺ ^c 17:24, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

You just stated "Martha Evans is an art historian (PhD Columbia) who wrote what I believe is the definitive biographical treatment of Hirst." That. That's exactly what I'm looking for!—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 21:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I see some more context on Evans was introduced in the article; I'm satisfied with the current version. —♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 07:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)