Template:Did you know nominations/Edna Clarke Hall

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Edna Clarke Hall

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... that Edna Clarke Hall's artworks based on Wuthering Heights were first created in response to the emotional stress of her unhappy marriage?

Created/expanded by Mabalu (talk). Self nom at 18:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I have reviewed the nom for Joseph Clarkson Maddison, but can't see where to add that I've done so... Mabalu (talk) 19:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I am not certain that the footnoted text as written supports the hook; the text in the article doesn't tie the Wuthering Heights illustrations to stress specifically from her unhappy marriage. How about this ALT hook?

ALT1: ... that Edna Clarke Hall's sixteenth-century house inspired the first of her illustrations for Wuthering Heights?

To keep the first hook, you might tweak the text so that the unhappy marriage is called out with the Wuthering Heights reference, and make sure the citation directly supports the connection.

Otherwise length, date, content, and polciy compliance look good. Interesting article. (Note: I tweaked some minor punctuation, etc.) - PKM (talk) 02:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I like the alt. hook, but how about this:

ALT2 ... that Edna Clarke Hall's many drawings and prints based on Wuthering Heights reflected the artist's own periods of emotional crisis?

Otherwise, am happy with your suggestion. Mabalu (talk) 11:09, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I like this ALT hook, and it checks out with the source. Good to go. - PKM (talk) 02:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I am concerned that some of the phrasing used by this article might be too close to that of this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

That's actually VERY flattering - When I'm able to check during the week, I will double-check to make sure, but I'm flattered that you think my writing is that good! ;) Mabalu (talk) 01:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've revised a few bits of the article. The only thing that's probably a concern are the four words "periods of emotional crisis" - but there are thousands of hits for that exact phrase (period and periods) on Google from a wide range of authors/sources, so I guess the worst that could be said is that it's almost a cliché. Are there still problems? Mabalu (talk) 12:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I am not able to check the sources that are subscription only, but I am well familiar with certain persistent objections, which have neglected to recognize some of WP's own rules. Even a professional journalist was once accused of "close paraphrasing" and I have seen cited as "problems" words that one can find via Google, as this nominator did, in thousands or hundreds of thousands of instances. They're not all "close paraphrasing", they're clichés. Furthermore, not all passages can be re-worded and are specifically allowable as per WP:PARAPHRASE#When is close paraphrase permitted?, where it says, Close paraphrasing is also permitted when there are only a limited number of ways to say the same thing. This article is interesting and well-written and satisfies the criteria of DYK. I see no reason to not give it AGF approval. Marrante (talk) 13:18, 20 February 2012 (UTC)