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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Emmanuel Ifeajuna

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Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nominated at 20:04, 13 July 2014 (UTC).

  • Re the hold date, I'm not sure it's tasteful to commemorate the start of this year's games by highlighting that an athlete in an earlier year organized a coup in which a dozen people were killed. Maybe the anniversary of the coup? EEng (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't think it's distasteful at all. The hook certainly isn't celebrating the coup. Ifeajuna is a key part of Commonwealth Games history. I don't think his political activities should exclude his association with the event (a point actually mentioned by commentators in the article sourcing). We are not here to demonstrate that every key athlete of Commonwealth Games history is a paragon of virtue. SFB 20:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Who said anything about paragons? When you juxtapose two facts you're inevitably making some kind of statement, because you picked those two things to say out of the many that you could picked to juxtapose, but didn't. When you further put that hook on the opening day of the games themselves, it does carry the feeling that you're saying something about the games. (Imagine if you were giving a speech at the opening ceremonies and said, "Friends, let us remember that one of our past athletes later organized a coup in which people were killed." I think there'd be a very awkward silence.)

Why not run it on the day of the coup? That changes the feeling from "Games athletes sometime go on to do nasty things" to "People who do nasty things sometimes have noble things in their past." See the difference? In keeping with that, I'd turn the hook around from "Athlete later organized coup" to "Organizer of coup had been an athlete" -- again, see the difference? I'm not saying this is a big deal. EEng (talk) 21:21, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

It would be wrong to neglect to mention the two main reasons for his notability. It's his profoundly unusual life which causes the juxtaposition, not me. I'm not entirely opposed to aligning it with the coup anniversary, but after many months waiting it will be far from new content and I think very few people will actually notice the date coincidence in comparison to the Commonwealth Games (which as it stands is hardly overloaded with related nominations). Nothing in the DYK rules excludes usage of such a hook. Certainly, The Observer does not think it in such bad taste to cover Ifeajuna in this way during their build up to the games. SFB 17:29, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Huh? I never said to leave out either fact. I said two things: (a) that the opening of the Games is not an appropriate time to highlight what might be called treason by one of its past athletes; (b) that the order of presentation of the two facts matters. EEng (talk) 01:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure we want a entire (hyperbole, I've seen two articles thus far) "Did you know about the Commonwealth games" section on the main page, so it may be better to run this on a date with no particular relevance. Belle (talk) 09:47, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Or, as I said, on the anniversary of the coup. EEng (talk) 01:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @EEng and Belle: I've proposed an alt hook to get this in line with your thinking. I'm pretty sure that three DYKs on the Commonwealth Games over the course of the two weeks that the event is held will hardly be overkill for our readers (estimated 196 hooks due over that period).
ALT1 ... that Emmanuel Ifeajuna became the first black African to win at a major international sports competition when he won the high jump at the 1954 British Empire and Commonwealth Games?
SFB 22:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Personally I prefer your ALT1. EEng (talk) 22:13, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

  • This article is new enough and long enough. I have tweaked ALT1 because the win was at the 1954 Games not the 1952 ones. The hook fact is cited, QPQ has been done and I detected no policy issues. This needs to be run promptly before the Games end. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
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