Template:Did you know nominations/First Battle of Newtonia
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The result was: promoted by DannyS712 (talk) 23:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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First Battle of Newtonia
* ... that the First Battle of Newtonia was the first battle of the American Civil War in which organized units of Native Americans fought on each side? [https://www.joplinglobe.com/news/local_news/damnable-time/article_cc8be2c7-a000-5a93-94c7-84834c13d206.html The Joplin Globe
- ALT1:... that despite winning the First Battle of Newtonia, the Confederate army retreated from Missouri? Sources 14 and 15 in the text
Improved to Good Article status by Hog Farm (talk). Self-nominated at 15:54, 14 April 2020 (UTC).
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- While it is cited, I'm not sure it's true. According to this book (pg. 30) Native American units participated in an earlier battle.
- Reply: The kicker is that while yes, Native Americans had fought in battles since about the beginning of the war, the hook (at least intended to) claims that it was on both sides. The parts of the book I saw doesn't seem to indicate against this. Research of my own has suggested the Battle of Round Mountain may have seen action on both sides, so I'll need to research that more. The newspaper quoted is one of the regional issues from the Newtonia area, newspapers in southwestern Missouri are going to be inherently low-circulation. Hog Farm (talk) 02:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: - Striking ALT0 - After further research, this comes down to the definition of "organized" used (Round Mountain had both sides, but one wasn't really official or organized) Is ALT1 interesting enough, or do I need to work on other hooks? Are you going to send this one through Good Article Reassessment? Hog Farm (talk) 02:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Reply: The kicker is that while yes, Native Americans had fought in battles since about the beginning of the war, the hook (at least intended to) claims that it was on both sides. The parts of the book I saw doesn't seem to indicate against this. Research of my own has suggested the Battle of Round Mountain may have seen action on both sides, so I'll need to research that more. The newspaper quoted is one of the regional issues from the Newtonia area, newspapers in southwestern Missouri are going to be inherently low-circulation. Hog Farm (talk) 02:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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I would be wary of trusting newspapers (esp low circulation newspapers) for historical facts, in my experience they are not infrequently wrong. buidhe 02:07, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
