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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:59, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

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Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals

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An aqueduct from the Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals
An aqueduct from the Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals
  • ... that the Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals was buried 8 metres (26 ft) deep and paved with a plaza? Source: "Just search the number "8" on any of the 3 sources"
    • ALT1:... that the Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals fueled Madrid's economy before it was buried for 200 years? "Caños del Peral Museum of Archaeology". ES Madrid. 2019-04-09. Retrieved 2017-06-25. The fountain supplied the population of Madrid through a network of water carriers, one of the most important trades in the city
  • QPQ: Jay Shah
  • Comment: Lots of possible hooks here. This is a short review under 2,000 characters of prose. The sources are in Spanish.

Created by RTG (talk). Self-nominated at 01:22, 25 November 2019 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough and interesting. Hook needs some work. --evrik (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry evrik I want to suggest another variation but is nearly impossible to type on phone until Wednesday, ~ R.T.G 00:19, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
That looks good I think:
  • I don't want to quibble, but the fountain is still buried. 1b makes it sound like it has been uncovered. --evrik (talk) 15:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Conceeded. "a" it is then o7 ~ R.T.G 20:20, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I changed the title to "Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals" from "Fountain of the Canals of the Pear Tree" as it is a cleaner translation. As such, any hooks should be changed accordingly. Also, I'm not sure that the way ALT1a is phrased is entirely accurate... it didn't necessarily "fuel" Madrid's economy so much as supply water to many in Madrid. It definitely fueled the water carrier's trade, but saying more doesn't seem to be backed up by the ref here. So, for now, unfortunately giving this a . I think there are other interesting things to mention in an ALT2 hook though, such as the fact it is thought to have been one of the first Turkish Baths in Madrid. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:33, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
    • It’s late tonight, and I am on my phone, but I do remember one of the sources in Spanish using language that would have justified the words "fueled the economy," though it might have been the local economy of clothes washers and water carriers. Anyway I have put up another proposed hook if anybody wants to approve it.--evrik (talk) 05:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I passed this article. Would someone else (not the author) please approve my hook? Thank you. --evrik (talk) 16:13, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Both of the new hooks are a bit on the long side, would it be possible to make them a little more concise? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:08, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
That sounds a lot better. My main comment this time is that the hook uses "an historic" instead of "a historic", a construction which appears to have fallen out of favor in recent recent times. As this is more of an WP:ENGVAR issue, it might be a better idea to leave a decision on that to another reviewer. Courtesy ping to Coffee. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I think the use of "an historic" is correct here; it's relating to something Spanish, the English learnt there is typically British English and the letter 'h' is not vocalized in Spanish, so it is the form that would be preferred there anyway. Alt3 approved, with the suggestion that "aguadores" be italicized as a non-English word. Kingsif (talk) 02:10, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, though to remove the repetition, and add a different image:
Plaza de Isabel II
Plaza de Isabel II
  • Regarding the two ALT4 variants: since this article is primarily about the fountain/spring rather than the aqueducts, shouldn't we be using "an historic spring" instead? Or maybe "an historic fountain"? BlueMoonset (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • It's a double hook, and right now it's focusing on the Plaza de Isabel II, which is also the image. We're still waiting for RTG to weigh in on whether he wants a double hook, and whether he likes the formulation. Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I think the fact it was buried 8 meters under for all the years and rediscovered recently is the hookiest thing about the fountains, however I'm not much of a tourist or know very much about Spain, so will defer happily enough to you more experienced contributors. I see the picture of the plaza as having more pop appeal than the aqueducts red bricks. And I agree with BlueMoonset that the spring and the fountains equally seem to have a richer history than the aqueduct. ~ R.T.G 23:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • The walls is a pretty interesting factoid actually... ~ R.T.G 09:13, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I like Alt 5. --evrik (talk) 21:07, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I like ALT5 too. evrik, could you approve it so I can promote it? Yoninah (talk) 19:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Approved Alt5. --evrik (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
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