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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

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Frederick Sherwood Dunn

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  • ... that Frederick Sherwood Dunn was a co-founder and a director of two different research institutes that studied international relations?

Created by Sandstein (talk) and Wasted Time R (talk). Nominated by Wasted Time R (talk) at 19:21, 17 September 2016 (UTC).

Length and history verified. Most sources I had to accept in good faith, but I was able to verify the one about him being the first director of the Princeton center (and honestly, I wonder if we could build the hook around that move, maybe getting that quote in? It would be more interesting). Daniel Case (talk) 19:44, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Should add, too, that I did a copyvio check and it seems OK. Daniel Case (talk) 19:45, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
@Daniel Case: Thanks very much for the review. I didn't use that as a hook because it wasn't "new" to Wikipedia – it's been in the Center of International Studies article for a year and it's also in the recently created Yale Institute of International Studies article. But it wasn't used as the hook when either of these were put up for DYK, so maybe it could be used here in a suitably mysterious-hooky fashion:
  • ALT2:... that scholar Frederick Sherwood Dunn led a move that was described by a university president as "Yale fumbled and Princeton recovered the ball"?
On a related note, I see you linked "fumbled" in the quote in the article, but that goes against WP:LINKSTYLE bullet 4, which I'm a strong believer in. Maybe better would be to provide the link before the quote by saying '... used a metaphor from American football to summarize the events: "Yale fumbled and Princeton recovered the ball."'? Wasted Time R (talk) 13:06, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
OK, I didn't know that someone had actually written that one down; some people have taken links out of quotes for years but I thought that was always just a matter of personal preference.

However, I'm not sure that your suggestion is any better. First, it's something of an Easter egg link; second, it will still be lost on anyone reading it in print. I suppose instead we could put a note in explaining it ... but maybe this is going to ridiculous lengths? The greater point is that readers unfamiliar with American football would have a chance to understand what is meant with a link from "fumble". Perhaps this is a situation the text of that fourth bullet point should account for better. Daniel Case (talk) 04:40, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

The problem of being lost on anyone reading on print is true of your link as well. I've become kind of an absolutist on this – links within quotes look ugly and just wrong to me – but there are other views as well and it turns out there is a long ongoing discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Proposed revision: links within quotes. In any case, this DYK does not have to be held up over this matter. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
@Daniel Case: As someone who knows nothing about American football, I think ALT2 is a much more interesting hook than the previous ones. Would you like to approve it? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:27, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes; it's high time we got this show on the road. Daniel Case (talk) 06:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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