- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 08:58, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
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Gerry Scott
edit... that Gerry Scott, the production designer for several BBC historical costume dramas, was initially rejected by the BBC due to her preference for painting rather than drawing plans?
Created by Canley (talk). Self nominated at 04:55, 8 November 2013 (UTC).
- Alt 1 ... that Gerry Scott, the production designer for several BBC historical costume dramas, was initially rejected by the BBC "because she was a painter and couldn't draw plans"?
(silver tick replaced with question mark by Storye book 10.Nov 2013) Long enough, new enough, hook needs replacing either by Alt 1 or another alt which is supported by its given online citation. (Alt 1 is supported by the online citation but original hook is not.) The article needs to have the hook repeated in the header, but this template does not yet have a hook approved by another reviewer. Rest of article is supported by citations. --Storye book (talk) 11:42, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- I am very confused by this review, so I can't promote the hook. Some points:
- The silver check icon means that the article is ready to be promoted—everything is good—but that the hook is based on offline sources or sources that otherwise cannot be checked (such as foreign language material), and accepted in good faith (which is why it's an AGF tick).
- If the originally supplied hook is not good, then a non-tick icon must be used, and the problematic hook should be struck.
- There is no requirement that hook-based information be in the article's intro. It is fine for it to be in the body of the article only; it needs to be supported by inline source citations by the end of the sentence where the information occurs.
- If the reviewer proposes an ALT hook, it needs to be reviewed by someone else, so the {{DYK?again}} template should be used to request that independent reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- As the self-nominator, I'm also a bit confused as well... in a previous DYK nomination, I was asked to rewrite the proposed hook (and some of the article) so it did not match the source text so closely. In this review, a slight paraphrasing appears to be unacceptable and the hook must be an exact quote from the source? --Canley (talk) 08:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with and happily accept the above comments about me using the wrong tick template, but would like to explain the problem with the hook. As I understand it, the online citation says that Gerry Scott could not draw plans, but the original hook says (or implies) that she preferred not to draw plans. That is different. Perhaps there is a printed source which mentions a preference as opposed to an inability, but the reference does not clarify this. --Storye book (talk) 09:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- As the self-nominator, I'm also a bit confused as well... in a previous DYK nomination, I was asked to rewrite the proposed hook (and some of the article) so it did not match the source text so closely. In this review, a slight paraphrasing appears to be unacceptable and the hook must be an exact quote from the source? --Canley (talk) 08:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
for ALT1 only. I've struck the original hook because Storye book (rightly) indicates that it's not an accurate paraphrase, but characterizes an inability as a preference, which is not the same thing. (FN2 notes that it was an inability, and she only got the job after learning how to draft plans.) Quotes are okay in hooks, if they're effective and also given in the article. ALT1 is inline source cited in the article and confirmed by the source. Article has 1634 prose characters, which is sufficient for DYK; rest of the review per Storye book. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:41, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
