- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 10:31, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Nominator has expressed his opinion that this article should be deleted.
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Guy ropes
edit- Reviewed: Ajay Devgan filmography
Created by Yash! (talk). Self-nominated at 21:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC).
It's interesting, new, and long enough. No QPQ, but it looks like you don't have six credits so that's fine. My only concern is all of the info comes from a single source. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 22:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- Ashorocetus, thank you for the review. I have added more sources. Cheers, Yash! 04:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- Actually, I have 11 DYKs and I have been away for far too long from this process. I just reviewed Ajay Devgan filmography for the QPQ. Best, Yash! 10:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- Unlinking common words in the hook, per WP:OVERLINK. Does "Guy" need a capital G ? Edwardx (talk) 22:53, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's not a proper noun, so no. Anyway, looks good to go now, assuming good faith on the offline sources.
- ? Is this medical article properly sourced? Guy ropes are the cords that hold up a tent or pole. Of the sources in the article, how many use the term "guy ropes" for these muscles (page numbers, please)? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:51, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
- They are mentioned as "guy ropes" in BD Chaurasia's Human Anatomy: Lower Limb Abdomen and Pelvis. Vol. 2 (6th ed.) pp 100-101 and Textbook of Anatomy: Abdomen and Lower Limb. Vol. 2 (2nd ed.) pp 405. Best, Yash! 12:59, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
- Justlettersandnumbers, about the sourcing, yes. I have used Elsevier and CBS Publishers which are considered as major academic publishers. Per the sub-section about medical books to be used, major academic publishers "publish specialized medical book series with good editorial oversight; volumes in these series summarize the latest research in narrow areas, usually in a more extensive format than journal reviews". Cheers, Yash! 13:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
- OK, I see several problems here: first, this isn't the primary use of this term; second, it isn't the medical name of these muscles; and third, we already have an article on this at Pes anserinus (leg). This page should be merged into that one. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
- on hold while discussion occurs on merging. Jolly Ω Janner 07:39, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
The merging discussion seems to have gone stale (only one response, by the nominator of this DYK). It's available here: Talk:Pes anserinus (leg), and it really needs some input from medical experts.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 12:16, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- I have closed the merging discussion, because there seems sufficient consensus not to merge the articles. It's probably best if an entirely new editor - preferably a medical expert - takes a look at this nomination, and provides us with his or her thoughts as to whether this article is sufficiently sourced within Wikipedia policies relevant to the subject matter. As far as I can see, that's the only outstanding concern.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 20:31, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. I should make clear that I am not a medical expert or anything like one, and that my statements above are more categoric than they should have been – sorry about that! However, I remain convinced that this page, if kept, should be moved to a title such as Guy ropes (anatomy) so that the present title can become a redirect to the primary topic, the strings that hold a tent up. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:48, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- I wonder if SandyGeorgia is around and willing to have a look over this nomination for us? Harrias talk 08:50, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Happened to see this because Sandy's talk page is on my watchlist. I don't know anything about anything bigger than a cell, but I really don't think this common English usage. I couldn't see a preview of the Chaurasia book, but the Singh one is available on google books and the way the text is written suggests a metaphorical usage of the term:
it seems that these muscles act as 'guy ropes'
(p405),muscles playing the role of guy ropes
(p406). I couldn't find any other online sources using the term any differently; where it appears, it's always as an analogy or explanation. Yash's comments suggest he thinks of it as a familiar term; maybe it's a regionalism? Opabinia regalis (talk) 00:38, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- Happened to see this because Sandy's talk page is on my watchlist. I don't know anything about anything bigger than a cell, but I really don't think this common English usage. I couldn't see a preview of the Chaurasia book, but the Singh one is available on google books and the way the text is written suggests a metaphorical usage of the term:
- I wonder if SandyGeorgia is around and willing to have a look over this nomination for us? Harrias talk 08:50, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. I should make clear that I am not a medical expert or anything like one, and that my statements above are more categoric than they should have been – sorry about that! However, I remain convinced that this page, if kept, should be moved to a title such as Guy ropes (anatomy) so that the present title can become a redirect to the primary topic, the strings that hold a tent up. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:48, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I saw this on the list of outstanding reviews and checked out the topic before reading the discussion above. The title for the article is unacceptable because this is not a conventional anatomical term for this group of muscles. The primary topic for the title here is guy rope and we should not have a plural version pointing to a different place per WP:PLURAL. The guy rope concept is being used as an analogy here and there are other groups of muscles in the body which do this such as those which stabilise the spine and trunk. As this is a medical topic, I'm going to nominate this for deletion now. If someone still wants to make something of it at DYK, they need to start again with a fresh title. Andrew D. (talk) 13:10, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- I request not to jump to conclusions until we have the results of the AfD. Yash! 16:36, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yash!, it seems to me, in reading the AfD, that you have concluded that the article should indeed be deleted. If I have this correct, let me know and I'll close the nomination now; there's no need to wait for the AfD to conclude in that case. Thanks, and sorry it didn't work out. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yes BlueMoonset, that will be the right thing to do. Pinging Amberrock for his message on my talk. Yash! 04:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)