- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hitler Nababan
... that Hitler was beaten by an angry mob after posting a meme to #general a WhatsApp group?Source: Awaluddin, Luthfiana (24 May 2018). "Misteri Pembocor 'Pesawat Pengintai' yang Bikin Hitler Bonyok". Detik.com. Karawang. Retrieved 11 November 2020.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Reuven Fahn
- Comment:
For April Fools DYK, see here. Striketrough #general in reference to a popular meme.Did not run on April Fools' Day; needs to run as a regular nom.
Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 03:46, 11 November 2020 (UTC).
ALT1 ... that Hitler eventually apologized?EEng 04:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)ALT2: ... that Hitler did something wrong?Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 04:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)ALT3: ... that Hitler was in the Democratic Party?MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)ALT3A: ... that Hitler endorsed the Democratic Party?Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 01:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)ALT3B: ... that Hitler was a member of the Democratic Party?Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 01:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)alt4 ... that the Islamic Defenders Front stated that Hitler's acts were intolerable?Cbl62 (talk) 19:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)alt5 ... that a Democratic Party leader stated that Hitler's acts do not represent the Democratic Party as a whole?Cbl62 (talk) 19:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
His first name is "Hitler"? And he looks like he was born after 1945. Oy givalt. Article was created in userspace and moved to mainspace within the time guidelines. It is long enough and appears to be written neutrally. The article is well sourced, and the AGF is because about half of them are in Indonesian. All hooks are verified inline. ALT0 is good. Who wouldn't want to see Hitler beaten? ALT1 is interesting, ALT2 is too vague I think, ALTS 3, 3a, and 3b may be too incendiary given the uncomfortable feel it gave me reading them as a registered member of the Democratic Party (United States). ALT4 is solid. ALT5 is less so, but still makes me think of the WP:AP2 battles a bit. QPQ is completed. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:53, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: Late reply, I've found out that he is born after 1945. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- This DYK should win an award, the alts are very funny; this would be such an awesome April Fools Day DYK. Also a registered Dem, but I thought Alts 3, 3a, and 3b are pretty perfect, give how utterly ridiculous the statements sound on their face. Footlessmouse (talk) 00:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Just a bit of a background, the Nias and the Batak people (Nababan is Bataknese) have a very special connection to the Germans, given that the Germans spread Christianity there. The Bataks and Nias view Germans positively, even post-Hitler. That's why the Free Republic of Nias exists. There are a lot of Bataknese with Hitler as their first name (AFAIK approx. 5,000 Bataks have Hitler in their name, and Adolf is also common among Bataks). Some news which involved Hitler has some funny headlines, for example this news headline which states "Robber surrenders and flees after Hitler appears in the crime scene" or this "Hitler stabs wife due to jealousy". Anyway, there are a lot of prominent Hitler in the Bataknese community. I'm checking newspapers to see if there is more notable Hitler. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
After a bit of discussion, apparently, these hooks are the remaining candidates. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 12:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
ALT0A: ... that Hitler was beaten by an angry mob after posting a meme to a WhatsApp group?ALT3: ... that Hitler was in the Democratic Party? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)ALT3A: ... that Hitler endorsed the Democratic Party? Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 01:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)ALT3B: ... that Hitler was a member of the Democratic Party? Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 01:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael, Muboshgu, I'm puzzled as to why this is still considered not approved on the April Fool's page, and also by the list of hooks immediately above. By my reading, there is disagreement on the various ALT3 hooks (reviewer Muboshgu called them "may be too incendiary"), and Muboshgu approved ALT1 ("interesting") and ALT4 ("solid") though Jeromi Mikhael didn't include them, with ALT0A (ALT0 without the strikeout per CMD). Jeromi Mikhael, do you have specific objections to ALT1 or ALT4, or did you not list them because they weren't your idea? BlueMoonset (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, I also don't know why this isn't approved. Was there some discussion held elsewhere that is signified by that horizontal line at December 1? None of these proposed hooks are problematic, none of them have been struck. The ALT3x hooks are okay. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Actually, I see a significant issue. Per WP:SURNAME, the subject should be referred to as "Nababan" in the article rather than "Hitler" after the initial "Hitler Nababan" in the lede. Because this is for April Fools', it's fine to use "Hitler" alone in the hook, but not appropriate in the article. (I don't see any indication that Indonesian names should be any different; indeed, Ahmad Rifai is subsequently referred to as "Rifai".) Jeromi Mikhael, this will need to be addressed before approval can be reinstated. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:48, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: Sorry about the horizontal line thing. I just inferred the hooks based on Muboshgu's opinion. I thought "solid" indicates something wrong with the hook (I'm not a native speaker)Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: I've added the Indonesian name template to the top of the article. Almost all sources I use mention Hitler Nababan as Hitler in their article. Hope this clarifies your concern. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:48, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Jeromi, do you have a source for that? Nababan is often an actual surname. CMD (talk) 02:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well, Hitler Nababan is a Batak, and Nababan is his marga (e.g. clan name). I am also a batak too with Sagala as my marga, but people rarely refer me as Sagala. Bataks are rarely referred to by their clan name. We only refer to each other with our clan name in special circumstances (e.g. in church, clan meetups). Check out related discussion in here. Further reading see this. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 03:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Understood, the issue is that the template you added specifies the name is Patronymic, which is different from a clan-based name. I've checked the template removed the patronymic note, but it is still incorrect to say there is no family name. The template needs more flexibility. However, there should really be an exception for Indonesians at MOS:GIVENNAME, so I agree for the purposes of this particular discussion that the name used in the article should not be Nabahan. CMD (talk) 03:53, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, since "Hitler" is the persons name (and "Nababan" is not a surname), restoring Muboshgu's earlier approval, noting that the approved hooks are listed in Muboshgu's original review. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Understood, the issue is that the template you added specifies the name is Patronymic, which is different from a clan-based name. I've checked the template removed the patronymic note, but it is still incorrect to say there is no family name. The template needs more flexibility. However, there should really be an exception for Indonesians at MOS:GIVENNAME, so I agree for the purposes of this particular discussion that the name used in the article should not be Nabahan. CMD (talk) 03:53, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well, Hitler Nababan is a Batak, and Nababan is his marga (e.g. clan name). I am also a batak too with Sagala as my marga, but people rarely refer me as Sagala. Bataks are rarely referred to by their clan name. We only refer to each other with our clan name in special circumstances (e.g. in church, clan meetups). Check out related discussion in here. Further reading see this. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 03:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Jeromi, do you have a source for that? Nababan is often an actual surname. CMD (talk) 02:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, I also don't know why this isn't approved. Was there some discussion held elsewhere that is signified by that horizontal line at December 1? None of these proposed hooks are problematic, none of them have been struck. The ALT3x hooks are okay. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael, Muboshgu, I'm puzzled as to why this is still considered not approved on the April Fool's page, and also by the list of hooks immediately above. By my reading, there is disagreement on the various ALT3 hooks (reviewer Muboshgu called them "may be too incendiary"), and Muboshgu approved ALT1 ("interesting") and ALT4 ("solid") though Jeromi Mikhael didn't include them, with ALT0A (ALT0 without the strikeout per CMD). Jeromi Mikhael, do you have specific objections to ALT1 or ALT4, or did you not list them because they weren't your idea? BlueMoonset (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- My final messages here — I would kill for the ALT3 hook sets. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
The nomination was not selected for April Fools' Day, so we need a hook appropriate for a regular set. Jeromi Mikhael, once we have that, we can find a reviewer to take another look here. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:28, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: Return to original hook, then. The original hook states facts. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jeromi Mikhael. Muboshgu, there have been some edits to the article since you approved it back in November. The remaining hook is below. Could you please do a quick check, and if all is well, give this another tick? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0a: ... that Hitler was beaten by an angry mob after posting a meme to a WhatsApp group?
- Since this in no longer set to run for April Fool's, it would be more appropriate to use the full name Hitler Nababan in the hook. No? Cbl62 (talk) 18:46, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
