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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Hogbetsotso festival

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Created/expanded by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 18:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Although the hook is one of the more interesting I've seen I don't think the article is suitable in it's present form due to multiple problems:
  • It is entirely based on unreliable sources i.e. websites. There are plenty of more reliable sources available on google books here
  • The second fact in the lead is not supported by the reference given.
  • There is no explanation of the purification of the stools (what is it?) and the link to 'stool' goes to a disambiguation page, which is something the nominator has been told about a number of times on their talk page. When you add a link you need to click on it to see where it goes to. At the moment it isn't clear whether we are talking about stools you sit on or stools you wouldn't want to sit on (i.e. faeces). In an article that only has 11 links this is not acceptable.
  • The summary of the nominator's review of Ecobank Nigeria is totally inadequate. "Hook and length OK" doesn't mean it's been reviewed properly. What about the other criteria - have you even looked at them?

There are also a couple of minor points that could easily be fixed:

  • The references all have virtually the same title.
  • The name of the article isn't mentioned in the hook.
  • Although some of these problems aren't DYK breakers on their own I don't think we should have articles with so many issues linked on the front page. There are also number of grammatical problems but if the nominator is willing to address the problems above I would be happy to copy edit it and work on the hook. Richerman (talk) 12:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Issues raised have been looked at and rectified. Ready to be reviewed again.  CrossTempleJay  → talk 11:27, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

  • The only other reference you've added is from another website - websites are not reliable sources (see wp:reliable sources). I've given you a list of online references from printed books above and you don't appear to have even looked at it. If you did you would see that there is a lot of information there you could use. For instance, the festival has only been celebrated since the 1970s and the Ewe believe the spirits of their ancestors reside in the ceremonial stools. Please look at these google books search results. Richerman (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the omission of the book references. I have looked at them and have made some inclusions where necessary. Thanks. A review may be made now. CrossTempleJay  → talk 19:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Richerman, that's not true: "websites are not reliable sources". Website may be reliable sources, depending on what they are and who they are written by. This is clear from WP:RS which you linked. Almost every FA we have links to websites - for example, news organisations such as the BBC website, and online editions of newspapers that may not run the same story in print. The one in question may or may not be reliable, but your comment is very misleading. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 11:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
OK websites in general are not considered reliable sources unless they belong to an organisation with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. Even so, if there are print sources available they should be used - as some now have been in this article. Richerman (talk) 11:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. Alternative hook suggested. Richerman (talk) 12:22, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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