Template:Did you know nominations/Interstate 85 in North Carolina
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 22:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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Interstate 85 in North Carolina
- ... that I-85 switches directions from milemarker 96 to 102 in Davidson County?
- Source: [1]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: You're gonna have to zoom at least 75% into the map image to see the red line, which is I-85.
Improved to Good Article status by NoobThreePointOh (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC).
- It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
- ALT1: ... that for six miles (9.6 km) in Davidson County, North Carolina, traffic on I-85 drives on the left?
- I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Let me review this. its new, long enough, QPQ not required, but I don't see the fact that it drives on the left anywhere in the article. I used 'Ctrl+F' for left and can only find one mention, and that is not even about the direction.JuniperChill (talk) 12:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Actually, its there located just above Interstate_85_in_North_Carolina#Greensboro_to_Durham,its just worded slightly differently so I am giving it the go ahead. JuniperChill (talk) 12:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Unpromoted. Pulled per Special:Diff/1232390332. Note this is the second time this hook has been pulled, so sending it back to unapproved to get a good hard look. RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: @BlueMoonset: @JuniperChill: For everyone here, this article had to be unpromoted from DYK due to the sourcing coming from Google Maps. After having found a much better source from NCDOT, which this article has a map, I'd like to get approval to see if it now meets the requirements for DYK. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- (drive by comment) I don't think "drives on the left" is an accurate description of what happens here. Especially with the link, this seems to indicate that left-hand traffic rules apply (instead, all that happens is that the two directions cross over each other). If we had true left hand traffic, each direction should have its shoulder and most exits on the left hand side. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and honestly as per my previous comment IMHO we need an explicit source saying it drives on the left rather than just inferring that from a map when nobody else has noted it. As such, the switch from Google maps to a NCDOT map doesn't really address this central concern. The map still only sources that they two roads cross over each other twice, not that it's a "drive on the left" area. Somewhere like the United States Virgin Islands, on the other hand, it's clearly sourced that they drive on the left. — Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I guess I've given up on the DYK nomination then. All that effort I put in for nothing. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The reliability of GM is disputed, according to WP:RSP WP:GOOGLEMAPS. Its neither stated as reliable nor unreliable even after several discussions. But anyway It clearly shows that the I85 switches sides like a diverging diamond interchange without traffic lights. Since I am new to Wikipedia and DYK, I may as well leave it to another person to review/promote this hook. JuniperChill (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and honestly as per my previous comment IMHO we need an explicit source saying it drives on the left rather than just inferring that from a map when nobody else has noted it. As such, the switch from Google maps to a NCDOT map doesn't really address this central concern. The map still only sources that they two roads cross over each other twice, not that it's a "drive on the left" area. Somewhere like the United States Virgin Islands, on the other hand, it's clearly sourced that they drive on the left. — Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- (drive by comment) I don't think "drives on the left" is an accurate description of what happens here. Especially with the link, this seems to indicate that left-hand traffic rules apply (instead, all that happens is that the two directions cross over each other). If we had true left hand traffic, each direction should have its shoulder and most exits on the left hand side. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@RoySmith, Daniel Case, NoobThreePointOh, and JuniperChill: FWIW there is an article here - [1] which discusses this in detail. I suppose it's questionable whether the "North Carolina Rabbit Hole" is a reliable source, but the guy does seem to have done his research and interviewed the road's designer and suchlike, so interested on opinions on that? — Amakuru (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Great find! I really like this concept of two rest stops in the middle that can be accessed by (normal) right exits. The author seems to be slightly more "independent journalist" than "blogger" but it isn't completely obvious why he passes our RS guidelines. If we trust his statement that there are almost no sources on this but do not trust his statement about the rest area, we won't be able to continue. —Kusma (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I started working my way through the article. To be honest, I have no idea how this passed GA; the sourcing is just abyssimal. For example, I'm looking at the first paragraph of "South Carolina to Charlotte". This entire paragraph is cited to map of Cleveland County which doesn't begin to say most of things the paragraph says. "from Cherokee County", as far as I can tell from the map, it's York County. "Most of the Interstate for its first few miles is generally rural in nature and remains four lanes." No clue how the map supports any of that. "which quietly merges onto I-85". Quietly? The map says quietly? "Interstate meets US 74 at a unique weave interchange" Unique? The maps says it's unique? "Both routes also enter Kings Mountain." Looking at the Google map, that does appear to be an accurate statement, but the cited NC DOT map certainly doesn't show it. But, to get to the matter at hand; the (supposedly) left-hand drive sections of I-85 The entire paragraph that contains this statement is cited to https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/State-Mapping/Documents/thumbs/Davidson.pdf, which doesn't even come close to supporing almost anything in that paragraph. "The landscape becomes more rural"??? "I-85 enters a large forest with tree-lined medians"??? This really should have it's GA revoked as a defective review, but I just don't have the energy to file it. RoySmith (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I found the energy: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Interstate 85 in North Carolina/1 RoySmith (talk) 20:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith and NoobThreePointOh: What is the status of this review, given that the above GA has not been edited in over a week?--Launchballer 07:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I have finished editing the article. However, there are some last-minute citations that I need to get from @Bneu2013: in order to add them and see if the article does meet GA criteria. Unfortunately, I'm out of town without my computer until the 17th, and all of the info that I added is stored in it. The only thing I can do is get back on the 17th, head to my computer, and add the citations. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, the issues I raised at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Interstate 85 in North Carolina/1 have not been addressed. I don't see how we can run this. RoySmith (talk) 12:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Again, I really am not able to edit the article without my computer. As aforementioned, the information I wrote is in the edit phase, and I need the citations to officially finish it up. Now yes, I can understand if the article gets delisted, but IMO, I don't think it's necessarily fair due to me being unable to edit. If the article is going to get delisted, then I guess I just have to nominate it again after getting back. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi NoobThreePointOh it is now past the 17th; unless you are able to resolve the GAR ASAP, this DYK nom will have to be timed out. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29, yes. I am officially done fixing the citations and improving the article, which I just did today. The GAR has not been closed, but there are no comments. Despite no consensus, I have made massive renovations to the article so that it can probably be within GA criteria. Hopefully the article doesn't get delisted. There's no point in doing the DYK IMO since it's been more than seven days since the article had the GA icon. But as long as the article seems well-written, I guess I can be okay with that. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 12:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- The article has been delisted as a GA; this nomination must therefore be rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29, yes. I am officially done fixing the citations and improving the article, which I just did today. The GAR has not been closed, but there are no comments. Despite no consensus, I have made massive renovations to the article so that it can probably be within GA criteria. Hopefully the article doesn't get delisted. There's no point in doing the DYK IMO since it's been more than seven days since the article had the GA icon. But as long as the article seems well-written, I guess I can be okay with that. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 12:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi NoobThreePointOh it is now past the 17th; unless you are able to resolve the GAR ASAP, this DYK nom will have to be timed out. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Again, I really am not able to edit the article without my computer. As aforementioned, the information I wrote is in the edit phase, and I need the citations to officially finish it up. Now yes, I can understand if the article gets delisted, but IMO, I don't think it's necessarily fair due to me being unable to edit. If the article is going to get delisted, then I guess I just have to nominate it again after getting back. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, the issues I raised at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Interstate 85 in North Carolina/1 have not been addressed. I don't see how we can run this. RoySmith (talk) 12:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)