- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:34, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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Jacky Lafon
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Jacky Lafon in 2011
... that Jacky Lafon (pictured) accidentally received a serious electric shock from a defibrillation machine while filming Familie, the most popular soap opera in Belgium?
5x expanded by Picomtn (talk). Nominated by Checkingfax (talk) at 09:29, 7 May 2016 (UTC).
- 5x expanded, but not unsourced prior to expansion. SSTflyer 05:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, SSTflyer. Nice catch. I adjusted the nom. Is that satisfactory? Thank you. Cheers!
{{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}17:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, SSTflyer. Nice catch. I adjusted the nom. Is that satisfactory? Thank you. Cheers!
- Comment: I don't know if it is accurate to characterize the shock as "therapy," since it appears that the event was purely accidental (and not exactly "therapeutic," in the medical sense of the term). Perhaps we can say that she "accidentally received an electric shock" when filming? -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:43, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Notecardforfree. She was exposed to medical grade electroshock therapy which has several synonyms. She was not merely exposed to an electric shock. She got zapped by a medical device that was accidentally energized during taping. Please feel free to pick another synonym for that medical equipment and suggest a rewrite, or just go ahead and change the hook. Cheers!
{{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}23:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)- @Checkingfax: It may simply be a matter of semantics -- when I read the article, I assumed that the accidental shock was not therapeutic in nature because it was not applied for the purpose of providing medical treatment. (By way of analogy, if a Doctor intended to give Mr. X a flu shot but accidentally injects him with a syringe containing estrogen instead, would it be fair to say that Mr. X received hormone replacement therapy?) However, I am really not familiar with the mechanics of electroshock therapy or the medical standards associated with it, and I will defer to your good judgment for how the hook should be phrased. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Notecardforfree. Let me know how it resonates with your now. Ping me back. Cheers!
{{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}01:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)- @Checkingfax: The hook looks good to me. Thanks so much for following up with this and for your excellent work with this article! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Notecardforfree. Let me know how it resonates with your now. Ping me back. Cheers!
- @Checkingfax: It may simply be a matter of semantics -- when I read the article, I assumed that the accidental shock was not therapeutic in nature because it was not applied for the purpose of providing medical treatment. (By way of analogy, if a Doctor intended to give Mr. X a flu shot but accidentally injects him with a syringe containing estrogen instead, would it be fair to say that Mr. X received hormone replacement therapy?) However, I am really not familiar with the mechanics of electroshock therapy or the medical standards associated with it, and I will defer to your good judgment for how the hook should be phrased. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Notecardforfree. She was exposed to medical grade electroshock therapy which has several synonyms. She was not merely exposed to an electric shock. She got zapped by a medical device that was accidentally energized during taping. Please feel free to pick another synonym for that medical equipment and suggest a rewrite, or just go ahead and change the hook. Cheers!
Full review needed now that hook is set. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:59, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Hook, length and date verified. AGF Dutch sources. Intelligentsium 20:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
There are 3 paragraphs without any citations under Early life and career; Rule D2 calls for at least one cite per paragraph. Yoninah (talk) 23:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- OK, good-to-go. Cheers!
{{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}05:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- OK, good-to-go. Cheers!
Reopened, hook factually incorrect, see WT:DYK#"Most popular" lead hook removed from Queue 5. Fram (talk) 11:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Jacky Lafon (pictured) accidentally received a serious electric shock from a defibrillation machine while filming the Belgian soap opera Familie?Cheers! Checkingfax (talk • contribs) 13:10, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Maybe "from a defibrillator ..." rather than "from a defibrillation machine ..." as it is shorter / snappier? EdChem (talk) 14:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Need a new reviewer to recheck the article and check the ALT hooks—I'm including ALT1a which is EdChem's variant on Checkingfax's suggested ALT1 revision of the original hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:13, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
- ALT1a: ... that Jacky Lafon (pictured) accidentally received a serious electric shock from a defibrillator while filming the Belgian soap opera Familie?
Length and expansion factor checks out. I spot-checked the Dutch sources for close paraphrasing; none found. I made quite a lot of edits with regard to paragraphs and grammar while avoiding change to substance. ALT1a is good. Checkingfax seems to have less than nominations including this one, so no QPQ necessary. 23W 19:49, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
- Maybe "from a defibrillator ..." rather than "from a defibrillation machine ..." as it is shorter / snappier? EdChem (talk) 14:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
