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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:06, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

José Antonio Raón y Gutiérrez

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Created by Arius1998 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:16, 24 October 2016 (UTC).

  • As for the ALT0, the article is new and long enough, within policy, neutral, cites sources with inline citations, and it is interesting, the hook is referenced and QPQ is provided. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed to review pre-existing ALT1; original hook has been struck as being far too long for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:45, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
ALT2 is 174 characters long, which is 26 characters underneath the 200 character hook limit. That said the sentence in the article is referenced to kahimyang.com which is in its about section a

This site is owned and maintained by a small group of people led by Primo Esteria. We are based in Pennsylvania (US) and in Northern Samar (Philippines).

This is no garuntee that it meets WP:IRS, and may fall under WP:SPS. Please provide a better reference.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 22:36, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Found a reliable source for you @Arius1998:: Census of the Philippine Islands: Taken Under the Direction of the Philippine Commission in the Year 1903, in Four Volumes ... U.S. Government Printing Office. 1905. p. 322. . Hope this helps.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. The recommended reference has been added. Arius1998 (talk) 23:56, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset:, can this count as a review for a future DYK QPQ? I had already done one in for my current DYK nomination.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
  • RightCowLeftCoast, sure, once you finish the review. Given the issues with the original review, you should probably recheck things like neutrality and close paraphrasing as part of the process. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
  • This is a new review of the article
New: Article was started on 20 October, and this DYK was submitted on 23 October. At that time the article was 3,749 characters long.Green tickY
Long Enough: Article 23 October exceeds 1,500 characters.Green tickY
Within Policy: Article appears to be neutral.Green tickY
It also does cite sources using inline citations; however, I am considered about the use of a self-published source as there is a book published by AuthorHouse used as a source in this article. Also the website Kahimyang Project, is of questionable merit when judged against WP:IRS. Both of these sources of these source are used four times in the article (as it stands today). Additionally, there article uses a source published by a publishing house calling itself the "Library of Alexandria"; if you look at its own description on Facebook, it too looks like it falls under WP:SPS.Red XN
Copy Vio checker only detects a 16.7% rating, so that isn't an issue IMHO.Green tickY
Format: ALT1 is under 100 characters, and ALT2 is under 150 characters (without spaces).Green tickY
Content: ALT2 is more interesting IMHO than ALT1, whether it is interesting to a "broad audience" is a matter up for debate. However, I believe it could be argued that ALT2 is interesting to a "broad audience".Green tickY
ALT1 is cited to this Tagalog website. ALT2 is cited to one questionable source, but another source from the United States Government Publishing Office.Green tickY
This article is not about a WP:BLP, or focus on negative aspects (unless someone was exposed to the past expulsion of Jesuits from Spanish territories).Green tickY
QPQ: Submitter claim of reviewing another DYK nomination has been confirmed.Green tickY
Image: No image submitted with this DYK nomination
Summary While this article is borderline of receiving a DYKtickAGF mark, due to issues with usages of SPS sources in this article I must give this DYK Nominitation a non-passing rating. Please resolve the issues and perhaps this DYK Nomination might yet pass. .--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:14, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
I hope the issues have been resolved with the removal of the SPS sources.Arius1998 (talk) 07:26, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
@Arius1998: Please provide a reference for the last sentence of the second paragraph of the Governor General of the Philippines section. Overall, that second section could use more in-line sources.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:01, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Please review the article again. I hope it is sufficient for DYK. Arius1998 (talk) 02:04, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
I see nothing in the source provided that verifies anything on this "Manila Consulate" or where that quoted organization existed specifically.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Greetings. I have removed the sentence concerned since there is no other available source at the moment other than that of Fish which would mention the "Manila Consulate." I hope this qualifies the article for DYK. Arius1998 (talk) 07:48, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
I am concerned about the claim of corruption in the Death section. It goes largely uncited. Are there more references to this extraordinary claim?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
This part of Raon's biography is largely taken from the source Philippine Islands. I also believe that it has been consistent with Gentil's own account. I have been trying to find other possible sources for Raon's case offline and online but the most extensive was the aforementioned. While it does seem an extraordinary claim and probably has the bias of the author/s, I may not be able to put additional sources for the time being. I hope this is considered carefully. Thank you for the review. I also hope for its passage as DYK. Arius1998 (talk) 07:13, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
As requested by BlueMoonset (talk · contribs) I am responding to Arius1998 (talk · contribs). As the claim appears to be extraordinary, and falls under WP:BLPCRIME. Of course one can argue WP:BDP, as the subject of the article in question has been dead for centuries. But as it is extraordinary, perhaps it is best not to include the claim, unless it can be verified by more than one reliable source.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I have done as recommended. Thank you. Arius1998 (talk) 05:33, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
@Arius1998: I see the change made here. Given the change I am going to recommend another reviewer give it a fresh review, as it should pass. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:30, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
  • :REVIEW COMPLETED - The following review was completed by Esemono
QPQ for Dolly's Brae conflict
José Antonio Raón y Gutiérrez Article was created by Arius1998 with 4474 characters (743 words) characters of readable prose on October 21, 2016
NPOV, problem phrase was removed here
ALT1 Hook is interesting, short enough and sourced with Ref 11
Hook is sourced to :The famous street in Manila is named after Jose Antonio Gutierrez y Raon. He became governor general of the Spanish government in the Philippines. Raon has served from 1765 to 1770. - Ipinangalan ang kila­lang kalye ng Raon sa Quiapo, Maynila kay Jose Antonio Raon y Gutier­rez. Naging gobernador heneral siya ng pamahalaang Kastila sa Pilipinas. Nanungkulan si Raon mula 1765 hanggang 1770.
Every paragraph sourced
Earwig @ Toolserver Copyvio Detector found no copyvio
GTG -- Esemono (talk) 07:12, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
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