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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Orlady (talk) 19:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Saragossi

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Created/expanded by User:Chesdovi (talk). Self nom at 12:19, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

  • I reviewed this article as it was nominated concurrently for good article status. If it helps the hook fact is correctly cited to a book (Legends of Palestine), although it is pretty darn close to a copy violation in the article. Also the nominator is currently blocked for two weeks and the article consists of a single section. AIRcorn (talk) 01:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
The line deemd to be close paraphrasing is:
"Once R. Saragossi went to visit the tomb of R. Judah bar Ilai. When he came, there appeared to him Elijah the prophet. He bought the spot and asked his pupils to bury him there."
Although the article says:
"Following a revelation of the prophet Elijah at the tomb of Judah bar Ilai, he purchased a plot close by and asked to be buried there."
Is that really a problem? Anyway, I have revised it to:
"In accordance with his wish, Saragossi was buried adjacent to the tomb of Judah bar Ilai, the site where he experienced a revelation of the prophet Elijah".
That should fix it. Chesdovi (talk) 14:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
When I read the article and compared it with the sources, I was struck by the similarity of content with the principal source, The Jewish Encyclopedia article about Saragossi. I understand that this is a PD source, but I don't believe that DYK should feature content that is largely copied from PD sources. Also, if a PD source is used in this fashion, the article ought to be flagged to indicate this. --Orlady (talk) 05:50, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
If you are after an example how to flag a PD source, Charles Louisson could be used as an example. Schwede66 05:06, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
It is all very well harbouring personal misgivings about DYK's based on PD material, but is this stated anywhere in the rules? If not, there should be no reason to hold this nom back. Chesdovi (talk) 11:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
From WP:DYK: "e) Nominations should be original work (not inclusions of free data sources) and should be interesting to a wide audience." I haven't read and reviewed the article to know how closely this borrows from the PD source, but that seems to be the pertinent rule requested. Harrias talk 19:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I've redone and recut this article so that it now has two additional refs and does not contain any sentences or long phrases from the cited sources. (Its also over 1,000 bytes larger) Victuallers (talk) 23:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Hurray for Victuallers! The article looks OK now. I did change "paid money" to "offered money", since the article and sources don't seem to document that he actually paid up. --Orlady (talk) 03:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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