The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelidtalk 00:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
This DYK nomination is part of a paid project for Leeds 2023 - see Wikipedia:GLAM/LEEDS 2023 - I've done these nominations as part of previous paid roles and it has been OK in the past
Comment: @Lajmmoore: I like your hook, but the variant or dialect of English (British English?) reads oddly to my American ear. This reminds me of the "in hospital" style we see in British and Australian English (maybe Canadian, too?) that throws me off every time I see it. As an American, I almost expect "a" European Capital of Culture or "the" European Capital of Culture, but I think I get that you don't do this in your variant. Also, referring it to as a "scheme" made this dumb American very confused (I know, it's easy to do that to us). I also don't know what an "independent year of culture" is, but I assume it's not European based on the post-Brexit prompt. I wonder if you can dumb this hook down for us yanks across the pond. Viriditas (talk) 19:26, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks very much Viriditas for the comments - please don't talk down about yourself! It's my bad for not thinking globally in the first place. Hopefully this hook is better? Cheers Lajmmoore (talk) 13:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Interesting hook! Per the source, should you clarify that they didn't actually exchange artworks, but photos (or images) of art in exchange for tickets? I was confused by the hook until I read the source. Viriditas (talk) 19:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the need for clarification Lajmmoore (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
I like what you are trying to accomplish! I tried to read about Leeds 2023 to find out more about it, but it is difficult for me to put it in words. I find this very strange. There must be a single, unifying term that explains or describes it, and I was hoping you could add this term to the hook to prompt the reader. The only word that I could come up with is showcase but I suspect that even that word doesn’t do it justice. Whatever Leeds 2023 is supposed to be, it sounds admirable and good. I just wish there was a way to describe it in your hook using just one or two words. Viriditas (talk) 09:48, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Viriditas, yeah it's tricky. I think the phrase in Europe is "year of culture", but that doesn't seem to have meaning with you. I'm going to try and come up with a different hook this week, if you don'tmind hanging on to review? Lajmmoore (talk) 22:04, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Lajmmoore, that's fine. Viriditas (talk) 18:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Overall: Thanks for this nomination. I wonder if other non-Brits like myself will know what "a year of culture taking place in Leeds" means. I don't think it would be difficult to briefly explain it. I get it is a paid project for Leeds 2023, but we need to be mindful of corporate jargon and style. For example, I don't think we need three small blockquotes, that's a bit too promotional and advertis-y, so let's cut back on that entirely and put the quotes inline or get rid of them. There's no need for a centered blockquote, for example, stating the intent. Let's keep it encyclopedic. I would eliminate all blockquotes and move everything inline. The "Programme" section needs subsection titles, it's just too long without it and hampers readability. Also, I wonder how many people will know what a "damp squib" is, so maybe add a footnote explaining it or link to a definition. Although I checked the hook off in the review, I do note we are still working on it. I think ALT0 is ready to go, but the wording is not ideal. As long as the article is cleaned up for neutrality, I will be happy to approve it or another hook of the nominator's choice. Viriditas (talk) 02:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks Viriditas - I think I've addressed the points above. I'm uploading more images today, which I hope will inspire a new hook! Lajmmoore (talk) 08:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
@Lajmmoore: Great images! I assume you will be replacing the image in this nomination as well as adding a new hook? Let's get this show on the road, as they say. Viriditas (talk) 03:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
What about the above? I swapped the image and struck the first alt as the image had changed. Lajmmoore (talk) 07:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
@Lajmmoore: Looks good. I've been ill, but I'm gradually feeling better. I should be able to take a look tomorrow. Unfortunately, my brain isn't working right now. It's a mild flu that takes some time to dissipate. Viriditas (talk) 08:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
@Lajmmoore: How about combining the two nominations into a double hook? Viriditas (talk) 23:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
I'd rather work on another ALT Lajmmoore (talk) 16:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
@Lajmmoore:Years of culture are specific years where a city or region dedicates resource to investing in cultural initiatives. Thanks for adding this. Should resource be resources? Viriditas (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
The bid team stated that they "aim to develop a 100% local and 100% international programme that champions Leeds’ potent cultural sector and reimagines the city’s relationship with the rest of the world. Personally, I would either remove this or cut this quote in half, or just paraphrase it in your own words. It still reads like corporate PR and we want to avoid that in our articles. I don't feel strongly about this, but I did want to voice my reservations. Viriditas (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
I think the article falls afoul of WP:EL. Consider trimming, merging, or removing. Viriditas (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
I went ahead and trimmed the section. Viriditas (talk) 23:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Sinfonia, one of the pieces developed by The Performance Ensemble is due to tour nationally in 2024. We generally want to avoid time-sensitive content. There's ways to reword this so that it doesn't become outdated. Or you could just remove it. Viriditas (talk) 22:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
My LEEDS Summer was a programme of community-led events in all of Leeds' 33 council wards, which included food and music festivals, led by the Neighbourhood Hosts.[71][72][73][74][75] That's an excessive use of sources. Find the most reliable one and cite it. If necessary, bundle any additional cites with bullets inside the primary using the ref tags. That way, the reader sees the most reliable source, and within the reference section, the other sources are visible. Viriditas (talk) 22:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
This included designing new logos for the wards, which were exhibited at Leeds Corn Exchange.[84][85][86] Same thing. Just cite the most reliable source and bundle the rest within the reference section. The way it works is like this: <ref>84.*85. *86.</ref> You need line breaks after each bulleted ref. Viriditas (talk) 23:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Final evaluation of the year of culture is undertaken by The Audience Agency and the Centre for Cultural Value at the University of Leeds, and is due to be published in Autumn 2024. Again, this is time-sensitive content. What will happen is the article will quickly become outdated unless someone makes future changes. There might be better ways to write this to avoid this from occurring. Viriditas (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for these suggestions, I've sorted them out now Lajmmoore (talk) 16:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Currently awaiting new hooks and images. Viriditas (talk) 23:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for this nomination. I wonder if other non-Brits like myself will know what "a year of culture taking place in Leeds" means. I don't think it would be difficult to briefly explain it. I get it is a paid project for Leeds 2023, but we need to be mindful of corporate jargon and style. For example, I don't think we need three small blockquotes, that's a bit too promotional and advertis-y, so let's cut back on that entirely and put the quotes inline or get rid of them. There's no need for a centered blockquote, for example, stating the intent. Let's keep it encyclopedic. I would eliminate all blockquotes and move everything inline. The "Programme" section needs subsection titles, it's just too long without it and hampers readability. Also, I wonder how many people will know what a "damp squib" is, so maybe add a footnote explaining it or link to a definition. Although I checked the hook off in the review, I do note we are still working on it. I think ALT0 is ready to go, but the wording is not ideal. As long as the article is cleaned up for neutrality, I will be happy to approve it or another hook of the nominator's choice. Viriditas (talk) 02:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Approve ALT3a. I leave it to the prepper as to whether a comma should appear between "created inspired". Viriditas (talk) 00:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)