Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Friesenhausen
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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Maria Friesenhausen
edit- ... that Maria Friesenhausen sang soprano solo with the NDR Chor in the 1950s and trained students of the University of Dortmund for an opera performance in 2001? Source: several
- Reviewed: Jean Trogneux
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 06:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC).
New, long enough. This one will unfortunately need some serious work, Gerda Arendt. Bach-Cantatas is not a reliable source, as best I can tell. It is prepared by someone who is a self-proclaimed enthusiast of the topic, but I can find no mention that they're an authority on the subject. The portions of the text currently cited to Bach-Cantatas need alternative cites. Additionally, this needs a copy-edit. Some glaring issues that popped out at me: the first sentence of "Career" is convoluted with many clauses interrupting the flow of the sentence; many sentences begin with "In DATE" and no comma separating the dependent clause from the independent clause. Comma#Separation_of_clauses explains, although I just had to correct the same type of comma error I'm pointing out here in the article about commas. There appear to be some other comma errors as well, such as using a comma when none is needed to separate Siegmund Nimsgern and Gustav Leonhardt in a list. Commas are only needed in lists of three or more. Could you either copy-edit this yourself or ask someone else to do it? I'd normally do it but my prelim exams are in a week, so my time is short; I can handle it in two weeks if no-one's done it by then. Since the hook is currently cited to the unreliable source, I'll hold off on reviewing the hook until you change the sourcing. ~ Rob13Talk 03:47, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- Please look at six featured articles with a source review to see that reviewers found several sources not reliable, but had no problems with Bach Cantatas (BWV 172, 22, 165, 4, 161, 125). Or, as Drmies once said: "a recoding is a recording", and they better represented at Bach Cantatas, with choir members and orchestra players listed, than at Amazon and WorldCat, who also don't have these early recordings by NDR, for example. - O dear, how many commas ;) - I will look at the commas in the article etc, but possibly not today, RL. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: You provided the source review at Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 (FA) ages ago, and didn't object to Bach-Cantatas. Could you take a look at that site and give your opinion on what qualifies it as reliable so I can better understand that? ~ Rob13Talk 06:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- @BU Rob13: The site has been cited by multiple scholars and works in the field, eg Claudia Jensen and John Potter. IMO while it is not a top-shelf source it is sufficient for uncontroversial information. That being said, that evaluation was in the context of a work rather than a BLP... Nikkimaria (talk) 11:45, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. Of the biographical information, only the short section on her studies is taken from the site, for (at least so far) lack of other information. It is likely to be correct (if you ask me), and even if not it would not cause severe misinformation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- I even found a ref that supports the info and a bit more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Thank you for that information. Gerda Arendt As scholarly sources cite Bach-Cantatas, I'll accept the source for non-controversial biographical information, though not for any extraordinary claims. You can focus on the copyedit and then I'll do the full review again. ~ Rob13Talk 17:08, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- I tried, please check. The sentence with Nimsgern and Leonhardt could not be repaired by dropping the comma, because there's another "and" later, which would make it three, but would be wrong. I used a semicolon, although I don't like them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Thank you for that information. Gerda Arendt As scholarly sources cite Bach-Cantatas, I'll accept the source for non-controversial biographical information, though not for any extraordinary claims. You can focus on the copyedit and then I'll do the full review again. ~ Rob13Talk 17:08, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- @BU Rob13: The site has been cited by multiple scholars and works in the field, eg Claudia Jensen and John Potter. IMO while it is not a top-shelf source it is sufficient for uncontroversial information. That being said, that evaluation was in the context of a work rather than a BLP... Nikkimaria (talk) 11:45, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: You provided the source review at Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 (FA) ages ago, and didn't object to Bach-Cantatas. Could you take a look at that site and give your opinion on what qualifies it as reliable so I can better understand that? ~ Rob13Talk 06:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
New reviewer needed to check the issues raised previously, after subsequent edits, since previous reviewer will not be returning. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:38, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Issues raised have been addressed. All other criteria met. Article is good to go. Montanabw(talk) 08:23, 4 July 2017 (UTC)