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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:57, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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Mark Aubry

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Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 14:21, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Invalid status "?no" - use one of "y", "?", "maybe", "no" or "again"

Article created on Monday and has over 6000 bytes. Well sourced without any plagiarism (earwig says 27.5%) but there is close paraphrasing in the sports medicine and Hockey Canada section. Lots of information given but I think the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of the sports medicine section has undue weight. There is a lot of emphasis on what Aubry said at the 2010 World Hockey Summit about concussions. I think perhaps a shorter summary could work better. There are also some sourcing issues as stated below. In regards to the citations, I think there should be a reductions of citations as there are multiple instances where more than one source is used to back up the same information. For example, the World Hockey Summit quote has three cited sources where this quote appears in. To me, it seems redundant but that's my opinion.

Source analysis:

  • Sports Medicine 2nd para
    • Close paraphrasing in sentences from "He called for raising the minimum age" to "Aubry called for instructing players"
    • "He cautioned that hits from behind need to be eliminated" translated reference doesn't support sentence.
  • Sports Medicine 3rd para
    • Close paraphrasing in sentences from "He cited research which highlights risks of long-term effects" to "17 of 50 states have passed a law"
  • Hockey Canada
    • Close paraphrasing from "He pushed for Hockey Canada to adopt rules..." to "He was successful in getting the directors".
    • "Aubry has also pushed for educating on ice officials for calling hitting from behind infractions, in addition to checks to the head". I'm not seeing this supported in the translation of the same above reference.

Otherwise, no picture is used, and QPQ not needed as the nominator does not have any DYKs currently. The hook is interesting but perhaps requires reducing because it focuses on three things at once. Overall, the article seems almost ready for DYK. I changed the DTK status due to close paraphrasing instances. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:42, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

  • I will be very busy in the near future. I should respond within a couple weeks. Flibirigit (talk) 22:14, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
@MrLinkinPark333: I have had some time to read over the article again, and I am struggling to find the close paraphrasing issues. Would you mind highlighting exactly which words or phrases are too close? As for the QPQ, I have more than 5 DYK credits, which means a review must be done, as completed at Template:Did you know nominations/Harold Spitznagel. As for the french language source, I believe it does contain the information referenced. Here is the google machine translation of the source:

The Swiss player who lost the use of his legs on Tuesday after a check from behind suffered "the worst hockey injury". A type of incident that would be almost impossible to eliminate completely from sport, says the Chief Medical Officer of the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) and Hockey Canada, Mark Aubry. "It's an action like many others in hockey, with a player who has his back turned, who gets hit, loses his balance, gets into the band and is hit in the backbone," says Aubry. We can do a lot of awareness and we have to do it. But what's annoying is that, unfortunately, it's something that will probably never be completely eliminated. " "It's the worst hockey injury," says Dr. Aubry. According to him, no equipment can prevent this kind of incident. "Players are recommended to do exercises to build their neck. But it's never guaranteed that when you fall against the gang, you do not hurt yourself in the column. " Tuesday night, in a Swiss second division game, defender Ronny Keller was going to get the puck back in his own territory when he was strafed from behind striker Stefan Schnyder. Keller hit the front-end band and suffered a serious injury to the fourth dorsal vertebra. On Thursday, doctors confirmed that the 33-year-old athlete had paraplegia. He will never walk again. A former teammate of Ronny Keller was shocked when joined by the Swiss daily Le Matin. "After that, we ask ourselves a lot of questions about hockey," said Thomas Nüssli. It's a brutal sport that causes a lot of injuries, everyone knows it. But what happens to Ronny ... It is not a knee, a shoulder or the back that one must for example operate. What he lives is something else. It's the worst that can happen. " To minimize this type of incident, Dr. Aubry suggests raising awareness among young players. "We did a lot of work on this at Hockey Canada. We must remember to pay attention to the level of the band, to stay glued against it and not to turn your back, he says. In the attacker, it must be made clear that one does not hit a player with his back turned. In the referees, the message must be clear: this type of action must be punished severely. ".

The above paragraph mentions his desire to eliminate hits from behind, although he concedes it will probably not happen. It also mentions the one-ice officials with respect to eductation. If you disagree, how would you propose wording the citation? Flibirigit (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: I'll get back to you on the translated ref, but in answer to your close paraphrase question, these are quotes from the sources that I think are too closely paraphrased:

Sports Medicine 2nd para:

  • "13 or 14 years old, citing both research and personal experience". 15
  • "vulnerable ages where kids have such a huge height and weight differences", "culture change", "to separate a player from the puck, not to put the player through the boards" (three separate quotes) 18

Sports Medicine 3rd para:

  • "long-term implications for athletes who suffer multiple concussions, especially in younger players", 15
  • "reiterate the need to take players off for evaluation at the first sign of possible concussion." 21
  • "30% of those players score abnormally on neuropsychological tests... resolution of symptoms" 20
  • "proactive approach is required at all levels so players don’t come back too early" "peewee level when many kids get their first exposure to bodychecking" 16
  • "17 states have passed laws protecting concussed student athletes... pending in 23 other states" 20

Hockey Canada para:

  • “zero tolerance” for hits above the shoulder... parents, trainers and coaches about concussion risks" 20
  • "man­dat­ing that ev­ery team must have a trainer who re­ceives in­struc­tion on deal­ing with con­cus­sions" 18
  • "“return-to-play note” from their doctor before getting back on the ice" 20 (minor issue)
  • " agreed in principle to having a consistent rule for Body Checking" "progressive implementation of checking skills" 12 --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:02, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the elaborations. I am slowly working through these. I have asked Nikkimaria to help me with the undue weight concerns in the sports medicine section, simply because she is better at that stuff than I am. Flibirigit (talk) 17:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I have reworked the Hockey Canada subsection. If you have any concerns, please suggest some alternatives. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 17:46, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Substantial updates have been done by @Nikkimaria: and myself. The article is ready to be reviewed again. Flibirigit (talk) 16:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Re-checking submission. Personally, I don't see problems with WP:UNDUE, even in the earlier version. (The text might be a bit over-detailed in presenting his views, but this is a biographical article, not one about sports safety, so it's not an NPOV issue.) Close paraphrasing addressed. QPQ done. I note that the article doesn't explicitly call him an "advocate for concussion awareness". Although it's pretty much implied by his activities, this still needs to be explicitly stated in the article for the hook to pass. Please consider adding the fact to the article body, or adjusting the hook. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Paul, I am suggesting to reword the hook from "an advocate for" into "a lecturer on", as this is how it is described in the lead section and article. Flibirigit (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay, good to go. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:04, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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