Template:Did you know nominations/Matthias Corvinus
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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 00:24, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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Matthias Corvinus
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- ... that under the patronage of Matthias Corvinus (pictured), Hungary became the first country outside Italy to embrace The Renaissance?
- Comment: 23 October is when Hungary celebrates the 1956 Revolution and the 1989 formation of the Third Republic. If this nomination is reviewed before the 23rd, could it be run on that date?
Improved to Good Article status by Borsoka (talk), Baffle gab1978 (talk). Nominated by 3family6 (talk) at 19:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC).
- "Adopt the Rennaisance"??? What does that mean? How does this get to be a GA? EEng (talk) 02:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- I took it to mean adopted the artistic forms and classical learning of the Renaissance. If you think that a word like "embrace" would work better, go ahead and change it.--¿3family6 contribs 02:34, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hey, good to see you again, and sorry I've been in a grumpy mood. Problem is that the article uses the same word adopted, so I don't really know what else was meant. Also, adopting for a moment you interpretation (which seems not unlikely) this is an extraordinary claim (i.e. it excludes all other countries) and will require an extraordinary source. EEng (talk) 03:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- Apology accepted. I'm feeling rather tired myself. It's a day off from work and I've been reviewing articles all day. The lead uses the term "adopted", which is condensing the content of "The Renaissance king," particularly the opening line "Matthias was the first non-Italian monarch promoting the spread of Renaissance style in his realm." I felt "first outside Italy to adopt the Renaissance outside Italy" was a good summary of that statement. I thought that the wording might be a bit awkward, but English is a weird language, and I just chalked it up to stylistic difference. Maybe I was wrong. I didn't think the statement was that extraordinary, considering that the Renaissance didn't really spread outside Italy for almost 100 years.--¿3family6 contribs 04:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- I did a g-books search into the issue of Hungary being the first place outside Italy to spread - that seems to be the consensus. The only other contender I found for that was Russia. But Corvinus is generally accepted as the first. So that clears that up. As for "adopted" - I'm fine if someone changes that in the article. I thought it was merely a stylistic device, nothing more.--¿3family6 contribs 04:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- Apology accepted. I'm feeling rather tired myself. It's a day off from work and I've been reviewing articles all day. The lead uses the term "adopted", which is condensing the content of "The Renaissance king," particularly the opening line "Matthias was the first non-Italian monarch promoting the spread of Renaissance style in his realm." I felt "first outside Italy to adopt the Renaissance outside Italy" was a good summary of that statement. I thought that the wording might be a bit awkward, but English is a weird language, and I just chalked it up to stylistic difference. Maybe I was wrong. I didn't think the statement was that extraordinary, considering that the Renaissance didn't really spread outside Italy for almost 100 years.--¿3family6 contribs 04:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hey, good to see you again, and sorry I've been in a grumpy mood. Problem is that the article uses the same word adopted, so I don't really know what else was meant. Also, adopting for a moment you interpretation (which seems not unlikely) this is an extraordinary claim (i.e. it excludes all other countries) and will require an extraordinary source. EEng (talk) 03:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- I took it to mean adopted the artistic forms and classical learning of the Renaissance. If you think that a word like "embrace" would work better, go ahead and change it.--¿3family6 contribs 02:34, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed now that hook issues have been dealt with. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
I do not think the hook is born out by a single sentence or multiple sentences with inline citations, a DYK criterion. While the hook is no doubt true, it is likely to be scrutinised closely because it includes the word "first". So what about a completely different hook? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that the Hungarian king Matthias Corvinus (pictured) founded a library, the surviving books of which show that he had the "literary tastes of a classic alpha male"?
- I found four sources that can support the statement in the hook, though I would argue that "Matthias was the first non-Italian monarch promoting the spread of Renaissance style in his realm" is essentially the same as the hook statement. I'm not opposed to alt 1 though.--¿3family6 contribs 17:12, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- The statement for the original hook is made in the lead and if you want to add one or more of your citations there or elsewhere you could do so and I could complete the review. Otherwise, somebody else will be needed to review the nomination and approve ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:34, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Cwmhiraeth: Done. Now how does it look?--¿3family6 contribs 19:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- The statement for the original hook is made in the lead and if you want to add one or more of your citations there or elsewhere you could do so and I could complete the review. Otherwise, somebody else will be needed to review the nomination and approve ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:34, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
- I found four sources that can support the statement in the hook, though I would argue that "Matthias was the first non-Italian monarch promoting the spread of Renaissance style in his realm" is essentially the same as the hook statement. I'm not opposed to alt 1 though.--¿3family6 contribs 17:12, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
This newly-promoted GA is new enough and long enough. Going with the original hook, which has an inline citation. The article is neutral but most of the sources were unavailable to me so I couldn't check for copyright issues. The image is in the public domain. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:47, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
