- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:35, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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Mindy Alper
edit... that Los Angeles artist Mindy Alper gave a drawing lesson to Catherine Coulson, who played the "Log Lady" in the television series Twin Peaks?Source: "Catherine Coulson (the "Log Lady" of Twin Peaks fame), became one of her students, and also a good friend. 'I got to know Mindy… when I came to have her help me draw a log, and we really connected,' Coulson explains." McKenna, Kristine (1992). "Inside the Outsider: Artist Mindy Alper reveals the dark paths of her mind through the compulsiveness of her imaginative drawings"- ALT1:
... that when Catherine Coulson (who played the "Log Lady" in the television series Twin Peaks) wanted to draw a picture of a log, she sought a lesson from Los Angeles artist Mindy Alper? - ALT2:
... that Los Angeles artist Mindy Alper helped Mary Stuart Masterson prepare for her role in the 1993 film Benny & Joon?"When she was producing Benny & Joon (1993), she arranged for Alper to help Mary Stuart Masterson prepare for her role as a mentally ill young woman who falls in love with a mime artist." ibid.
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Created by Ringbang (talk) and Girona7 (talk). Nominated by Ringbang (talk) at 17:41, 8 March 2018 (UTC).
Comment I realize to be subjective: reading the article, I found myself wondering what Alper’s art itself is actually like. Entry has loads of great stuff about her training, places she’s exhibited, teaching she’s done, the film about her (well done!)—but just a handful of sentences about what art she’s produced. (This is also reflected in the lead, which indicates she’s known as a painter and sculptor, but doesn’t say what materials she works with, what school she belongs to if any, what themes she’s known for engaging, or other major identifying qualities for summarizing an artist’s work.) If secondary sources for this just aren’t available, I understand and will be happy to check this off as I think it meets the letter of the DYK criteria; but if it’s possible to add more about the substance of her artistic output before it goes out to DYK readers, I think that would make it much more useful. Let me know! Innisfree987 (talk) 21:17, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
- Related: noticing lead says her media are painting and sculpture but infobox says drawing and sculpture—adding at least enough about the work to nail this down one way or another would be great. I’ll look for refs too. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
It has been over a month since the above, and I have just repinged nominator Ringbang's talk page. Perhaps Girona7 can help with Innisfree987's questions, and perhaps Innisfree987, who edited the article last week, can follow up here. Thanks to you all. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I added a bit to the entry about a month ago and then checked back on progress last week. I noticed meanwhile the creators were discussing proposing a different hook, so I was waiting to see where they landed on that. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:59, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hi there. I'd be happy to help but at present I'm trying to deal with the fact that the image I procured for the article has hit a snag in terms of getting OTRS to accept the permission I obtained from the creator as valid. As soon as this is resolved I'd be happy to follow up on the possible DYK. Thanks for keeping this one alive! And more soon... Girona7 (talk) 02:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Ringbang and Girona7: Any updates? It's been more than a month now. If getting difficulty getting permission for the image is dragging this on, perhaps the hook could simply run without the image? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5 and Girona7: I'll have time today to review my source materials and make another pass over the article. Having the photo is ideal, but I'm okay with going without it if necessary. —Ringbang (talk) 14:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Reviewer needed to check the recent revisions to see whether they have addressed the issues previously raised. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:06, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
I see that this nomination has been hanging around for ages. The article is long enough and was new enough when nominated. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Reading the article I wondered about having a hook concerning the artist losing her power of speech periodically, but perhaps that is too negative for a BLP where the subject has mental health issues. So let's go for ALT0 which is cited inline. No QPQ needed for this nomination. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote this, but I find all the hooks rather obscure. None of the hooks gives any indication of who Alper is, other than an "artist". I think ALT2 is the one that can be improved with a quick tweak:
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... that Los Angeles artist Mindy Alper helped Mary Stuart Masterson prepare for her role as a mentally ill woman who falls in love with a mime artist in the 1993 film Benny & Joon? - But really, a new hook focusing on Alper would be better. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yoninah, while the mime artist is a great detail, it is not mentioned in the source for that sentence; indeed, the Los Angeles Times article that is cited doesn't mention the character falling in love, and even gets the spelling of the movie title wrong. If ALT2a is going to be used, an additional source about Benny & Joon will be necessary. But this nomination is well over four months old, and it needs to make some good progress soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:42, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Source added to support "mime artist". How about:
- ALT3: ... that Mindy Alper, the visual artist featured in Heaven Is a Traffic Jam on the 405, helped Mary Stuart Masterson prepare for her role as a mentally ill woman in the 1993 film Benny & Joon? Ringbang (talk) 01:45, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
