- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 00:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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Mitch Torres
* ... that writer, director, and first Indigenous Australian on-air presenter for SBS Television Mitch Torres is a "self-proclaimed damper destroyer"?
- Source: "Mitch Torres was SBS’s first Indigenous presenter (1988) and went on to do her journalism cadetship with ABC TV news, later becoming the first presenter and field journalist for GWN’s long-running magazine program Millbindi." "AFTRS Honorary Degrees For Lynette Wallworth, Cherie Romaro and Mitch Torres". Australian Film Television and Radio School. 21 May 2021. Retrieved 30 August 2024.
- ALT1: ... that in the mockumentary BabaKiueria, Mitch Torres played the role of a reporter following the lives of a "‘typical’ white family", described a football match as "ritualised violence" and betting at the TAB as a religion? Source: "Presenter Duranga Manika (Michelle Torres) describes her fascination with white people and their customs and explains how she spent six months living with a ‘typical white family’" "Elsewhere Manika describes the football match as ritualised violence and betting at the TAB as a religion" Matthews, Kate. "Babakiueria: 'This strange and fascinating people'". National Film and Sound Archive. Government of Australia. Retrieved 1 September 2024.
- Reviewed: Dorothy Stanley
- Comment: Per DYK guidelines, there is a two day eligibility window following a week after creation so it should fall within this window. Thank you for the reviewer for your time in advance! ALT1 is a bit lengthy, so I am open to any ways for it to be shortened while keeping the hook-iness.
Created by Ornithoptera (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.
Ornithoptera (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: 
Oh, "Minister of White Affairs" got a good belly laugh out of me! New enough and long enough. Earwig gives 47%, but everything is the name of an award, so it looks okay. Hook fact for ALT1 checks out. ALT0, however... given the history of "first" statements on the main page, I'm not sure if the sourcing is solid enough. Two of the four references for her being the first indigenous presenter are film festivals, where participants often provide their own biodata. The other two are a bit more solid, but at the same time a "first" claim gives me pause. ALT1 should be okay, but ALT0 will need further discussion if you'd rather use it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Crisco 1492! Thank you for taking the time to look through the article! Apologies for the late response, I've had a busy week. I feel like the Australian Film Television and Radio School is a reliable secondary source, but it's hard to verify outside of that. If that does not pass in order to include in the hook, we can workshop an alternative that is without Torres' biographical details and skips straight to the "self proclaimed damper destroyer" quote? Ornithoptera (talk) 02:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Ornithoptera, and no worries about the delay. I agree that AFTRS is a reliable secondary source, but "first" claims... I'm very hesitant with "first" hooks, especially since even after workshopping they sometimes end up causing issues even with RSes supporting them. If we were to rework it without the "first", I'd be comfortable signing off. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for getting back to me, per your suggestion, I will provide the following alternative hook:
- ALT2: ... that Mitch Torres is a "self-proclaimed damper destroyer"?
- A bit of a simplified version of ALT0, but it's simple and gets to the point. Frankly, Babakiueria's plot is very hook-y so there is a bit of a preference for ALT1 at the end of the day for the DYK admins. Torres has a very long career, and I'm very thankful you took the time to go through the article Crisco 1492! Cheers! Ornithoptera (talk) 09:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Perfect! Thank you, Ornithoptera. ALT1 and ALT2 approved. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)