Template:Did you know nominations/Murder of Shuja Khanzada

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 12:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Murder of Shuja Khanzada

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... ~~that the Pakistani politician and ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada was assassinated in the bomb explosion at his home in Shadikhan, which killed more than 20 and injured more than 20 others?~~

ALT1:... ~~that the Pakistani politician and ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada was killed in the bomb explosion at his home in Shadikhan alongside more than 20 others, which also injured more than 20?~~
ALT2:... ~~that Shuja Khanzada, until his recent assassination in the bomb explosion at his home in Shadikhan that caused 20+ deaths and 20+ injuries, fought in the Indo-Pakistani war in 1971?~~
Reviewed: Irene Purcell and Takeshi Hirayama‎
Comment: ~~Currently nominated for ITN, but that nomination was overdue and going stale despite unanimous support.~~ ITN nomination is too late and now archived. Also, writing combined two-article hook isn't easy for me. I welcome your alternatives.

Created by Wikimandia (talk), Mar4d (talk), and محمد افضل (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 23:47, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

As someone who contributed significantly to this page, I don't feel it's appropriate for a DYK. A bit too morbid and disrespectful of the dead IMHO. An updated hook can be used for ITN. —Мандичка^YO 😜 01:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the ITN nomination was late, and many unrelated news from the same day of the incident were posted on ITN. Therefore, the story is... running out of its time to be posted. Once archived, it'll be too late. As for these hooks, I'll add more without being morbid and disrespectful:

ALT3: ... ~~that Pakistani and politician ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada, before his demise at his home in Shadikhan, fought in the Indo-Pakistani war in 1971?~~

ALT3: ... ~~that, before he was assassinated by a house bomb in Shadikhan, the Pakistani politician and ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada fought in the Indo-Pakistani war in 1971?~~

ALT4: ... that Pakistani and politician ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada, before his demise at his home in Shadikhan, served as instructor in 1974–78 and 1982–83 throughout his military career?

ALT4: ... ~~that, before he was assassinated with a house bomb in Shadikhan, the Pakistani politician and ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada served as military instructor in 1974–78 and 1982–83?~~

ALT5: ... that Pakistani and politician ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada, before his demise at his home in Shadikhan, commanded the 13th Lancers in 1983–85 throughout his military career?

ALT5: ... ~~that, before he was assassinated with a house bomb in Shadikhan, the Pakistani politician and ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada commanded the 13th Lancers in 1983–85?~~

I wasn't able to add details of the explosion, but I'm trying my best. George Ho (talk) 03:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

New enough, long enough. ALTs 3-5 short enough and sourced, but would all require a reference after them. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found. QPQ done and image properly licensed.--Laun chba ller 12:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean "require a reference after them"? George Ho (talk) 14:22, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I imagine he means that one or more of the facts in those hooks need to be given inline source citations in the articles by the end of the sentence that contains them. However, ALTs 3 through 5 are very confusing in their intro; ALT1 was acceptable in that regard, but these three are not. You also might want to consider putting the second clause ("before his demise at his home in Shadikhan") first, which would allow the rest of the hook to run without interruption ("that before his demise at his home in Shadikhan, Pakistani politician and ex-colonel Shuja Khanzada fought/served/commanded..."). ALT4 and ALT5 also end with "throughout his military career", which don't make sense in the context of a single assignment from that career. Finally, while I realize you were trying to address the feelings by one of the authors of the articles that the initial hooks were "morbid and disrespectful", the euphemistic phrase "his demise at his home" makes it sound like he died of a fall, not from assassins' bombs. If the line in the lead of the Shuja Khanzada article, Appointed Home Minister in 2014, Khanzada spearheaded the campaign against terrorism and sectarian militancy in Punjab. could be sourced, that fact might make an effective hook in tandem with the attack. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Anything wrong with "demise at the the hands of assassins' bombs"?--Laun chba ller 17:29, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

That would make hooks longer. George Ho (talk) 21:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Rewrote ALTs. George Ho (talk) 21:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't have time to check them now, but does it make them longer than 200 characters? I'll check later, but if not, then what's the problem?--Laun chba ller 16:50, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Launchballer, "demise at the the hands of assassins' bombs" is wordy as proposed and it's more than a bit odd to have "hands" and "bombs"? Why not "death from assassins' bombs"? George Ho, not only did you fail to fix "Pakistani and politician ex-colonel", you retained "throughout his military career", which is not only a waste of characters but makes no sense in context. If you aren't going to take more care with the hooks you propose in response to the issues raised, you need to be prepared for the nomination to be closed as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Good enough for me. I await an appropriate ALT.--Laun chba ller 21:15, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I overlooked. I was so busy with other things, yet I forgot one slight error describing the person. As for "throughout his military career", I'll fix it soon. George Ho (talk) 22:35, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

...Actually, I eliminated the phrase as redundant. George Ho (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

A minor point: shouldn't ALTs 3–5 read "by a house bomb explosion" rather than "by house bomb explosion"? —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 13:02, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree, and I'm not happy because they've just been edited by Gatoclass and I'd already approved them, so it embarrasses me. We usually create new ALTs rather than edit them.--Laun chba ller 13:08, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) The addendum about the 13th lancers in ALT5 is anticlimactic. Suggested rephrase:
ALT6: ... ~~that the Pakistani politician, ex-colonel and former commander of the 13th Lancers Shuja Khanzada was recently assassinated by a house bomb?~~ Gatoclass (talk) 13:09, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for adding to the vexation in this nomination, Gatoclass, George Ho and Launchballer. I have to say I think ALT6 is the punchiest hook so far proposed. I also think it would be better to say "assassinated with a house bomb" than "assassinated by a house bomb", since the bomb was the weapon used by the assassin, not the assassin themselves. Also, Launchballer, I have seen minor changes, comparable to inserting the single-letter article "a", made to hooks in other nominations without creating a new ALT for the change. If that is against policy, I would appreciate clarification so that I don't make the same mistake myself by following poor examples. Thanks, GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 13:34, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

If you read the article, the attack was carried out by two suicide bombers. So maybe it would be more accurate to say "assassinated in a suicide bombing?" or "assassinated by suicide bombers"? Gatoclass (talk) 14:06, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Neither WP:DYK not WP:DYKSG state anything as far as I can see, but I say only edit unapproved hooks to remove blatant spelling and grammar errors.--Laun chba ller 14:13, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll rephrase it for you:

ALT6b: ... that the Pakistani politician, ex-colonel and ex-commander of the 13th Lancers Shuja Khanzada was recently assassinated with a house bomb?
ALT6c: ... that Shuja Khanzada, the Pakistani politician, former colonel and former commander of the 13th Lancers was recently assassinated with a house bomb?

I also rephrased ALTs 3–5. George Ho (talk) 20:44, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Very nearly there. Of the two, I prefer ALT6b. However, shouldn't it be the Pakistani politican, ex-colonel and ex-commander?--Laun chba ller 01:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Added "the". George Ho (talk) 02:10, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I still think "assassinated by suicide bombers" is more accurate and reads better. Gatoclass (talk) 04:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Here you go:

ALT7: ... that the Pakistani politician, ex-colonel and ex-commander of the 13th Lancers Shuja Khanzada was recently assassinated by suicide bombers?

George Ho (talk) 04:42, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Gatoclass (talk) 07:53, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Good to go with ALT7.--Laun chba ller 10:52, 30 October 2015 (UTC)