Template:Did you know nominations/Nicolette Bruining
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The result was: promoted by 4meter4 (talk) 23:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Nicolette Bruining
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... that Nicolette Bruining (pictured) who founded VPRO, a Liberal Christian broadcasting radio program was acknowledged as Righteous Among the Nations by Israel for assisting Jews during WWII?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jeanne des Anges
- Comment: For WikiProject Women In Red Women in Religion editathon
Created by SusunW (talk). Self-nominated at 05:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC).
You're close. There needs to be more specific in-text citations; specifically, everything said in a DYK hook needs to be footnoted in the article. I'd also copyedit and shorten the hook as well as, making it more like ... that VPRO founder Nicolette Bruining (pictured) was honored as Righteous Among the Nations for assisting Jews during World War II? Besides that, I see no major issues blocking this from being DYK material. ViperSnake151 Talk 03:01, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- ViperSnake151 Thanks for the review, appreciate it. I'm a bit confused, the mark says it passed, but your text says it didn't. I'm fine with the alt hook you proposed, but there is nothing in the article which isn't cited. Granted, others changed the text after I nominated it, but regardless of verbiage, every statement is cited. Mayhaps what you meant to say is that I didn't specifically state that she received the award from Israel for helping the Waisviszes? I have added that. Please clarify and ping me. SusunW (talk) 03:50, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- I just realized that the symbol I used was wrong. But anyway, relevant rule in the DYK rules is that "Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient.". This means there must be an explicit footnote each and every time something mentioned in the hook is mentioned in the article. ViperSnake151 Talk 05:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- ViperSnake151 I agree with that assessment. But here's what I made the hook from: she helped establish the Central Committee of Liberal Protestantism to broaden the scope of the church.[4] ... the Central Committee went on in 1926 to found the Liberal Protestant Radio Broadcasting Corporation or VPRO in which Bruining was president and Spelsberg secretary.[5][2] ... Both Waisvisz daughters survived the war, thanks to Bruining's intervention.[3][6] ... Posthumously, she was honored by the government of Israel on 7 March 1990 as one of the Righteous Among the Nations for her assistance to the Waisvisz family.[6][3] Maybe you constructing it differently, or don't agree with my construction? SusunW (talk) 05:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- ALT 1. ... that VPRO founder Nicolette Bruining (pictured) was honored as Righteous Among the Nations for assisting Jews during World War II?
- ViperSnake151 Talk 16:30, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- ViperSnake151 I agree with that assessment. But here's what I made the hook from: she helped establish the Central Committee of Liberal Protestantism to broaden the scope of the church.[4] ... the Central Committee went on in 1926 to found the Liberal Protestant Radio Broadcasting Corporation or VPRO in which Bruining was president and Spelsberg secretary.[5][2] ... Both Waisvisz daughters survived the war, thanks to Bruining's intervention.[3][6] ... Posthumously, she was honored by the government of Israel on 7 March 1990 as one of the Righteous Among the Nations for her assistance to the Waisvisz family.[6][3] Maybe you constructing it differently, or don't agree with my construction? SusunW (talk) 05:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- I just realized that the symbol I used was wrong. But anyway, relevant rule in the DYK rules is that "Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient.". This means there must be an explicit footnote each and every time something mentioned in the hook is mentioned in the article. ViperSnake151 Talk 05:16, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- ViperSnake151 Thanks for the review, appreciate it. I'm a bit confused, the mark says it passed, but your text says it didn't. I'm fine with the alt hook you proposed, but there is nothing in the article which isn't cited. Granted, others changed the text after I nominated it, but regardless of verbiage, every statement is cited. Mayhaps what you meant to say is that I didn't specifically state that she received the award from Israel for helping the Waisviszes? I have added that. Please clarify and ping me. SusunW (talk) 03:50, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
New reviewer needed, since ALT1 was proposed by the original reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:13, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
- The hook is not sufficiently cited in the article. There's a couple of solutions to this: either cite "She was also a teacher and humanitarian, assisting Jews during the Second World War." or mention the fact that the Waisvisz family was Jewish (with an inline cite). Jolly Ω Janner 06:10, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Jolly Janner One does not cite the lede. Her teaching, which has nothing to do with the hook, is cited in the body as is the award of Righteous Among Nations. Since the award only exists to honor non-Jews who saved Jews during the Holocaust, that she got one is evidence in itself that they were Jewish. It would be like requiring one to verify that Paris is the capital of France. Please can this nomination move on. It has been hanging for a month. SusunW (talk) 15:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think it's quite different to comparing the capital of France. I would not feel comfortable passing this nomination, as I think Righteous Among the Nations being an award for saving Jews need verification. Hopefully someone will feel comfortable enough in promoting this. Regards, Jolly Ω Janner 17:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Jolly Janner I quite disagree with you. The award is world renowned and I cannot imagine that anyone with a knowledge of world history would not know of it and its import to the State of Israel and those upon whom it has been bestowed. However, I will add the citation from Yad Vashem [1] to the article which clearly states that it "convey[s] the gratitude of the State of Israel and the Jewish people to non-Jews who risked their lives to save Jews...grant[s] the title of Righteous Among the Nations to the few who helped Jews in the darkest time in their history". I would ask you to please restore the tick post-haste. SusunW (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- I think it's quite different to comparing the capital of France. I would not feel comfortable passing this nomination, as I think Righteous Among the Nations being an award for saving Jews need verification. Hopefully someone will feel comfortable enough in promoting this. Regards, Jolly Ω Janner 17:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Jolly Janner One does not cite the lede. Her teaching, which has nothing to do with the hook, is cited in the body as is the award of Righteous Among Nations. Since the award only exists to honor non-Jews who saved Jews during the Holocaust, that she got one is evidence in itself that they were Jewish. It would be like requiring one to verify that Paris is the capital of France. Please can this nomination move on. It has been hanging for a month. SusunW (talk) 15:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)