- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
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Phil Prince
edit... that former Clemson University president Phil Prince in 1944 was the last true freshman to start a season-opener at left tackle for the Tigers until Mitch Hyatt in 2015 ?
Created by Bender235 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 20 October 2015 (UTC).
- {Drive-by comment. Not a review.} Please be reminded that a DYK article must be at least 1500 characters long. This article now has less than 900 characters. I assume more will be coming soon. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 07:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
The article remains at 883 prose characters, far too short for DYK. Further, the hook facts do not appear in the article (and are thus unsourced): that he was the last true freshman to start at the position in the season opener until this year, and that Mitch Hyatt was the next one. The article needs to be expanded soon; I haven't done the rest of the policy checks since they would simply need to be redone after the expansion. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:58, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- It has been expanded and is now over 1500 bytes. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, Cwmhiraeth. The original hook is still unsupported, however, and an ALT hook that is supported will be needed, or the article will need further expansion to include the original hook facts in it. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- It has been expanded and is now over 1500 bytes. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that former Clemson University president Phil Prince received the Clemson Distinguished Athletes Award in 2015? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- Although the article comes in at 1706 prose characters according to DYKcheck and was nominated the day it was created, and the ALT1 hook is in the article and supported, almost the entire third paragraph of the article is an unacceptably close paraphrase of the primary source. It needs almost a complete rewrite. There's also something wrong with the start of the fourth paragraph, since from February to the end of September is not even close to the stated 11 months. The article and hook seem neutral. One thing about the source that mentions the "true freshman" fact: it gives his name as "Phil Price" rather than "Phil Prince", so I wonder whether it should be trusted as to the other "facts" given. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:52, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
