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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:05, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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Roman Tmetuchl

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  • Reviewed: Austin Petersen
  • Comment: I'm not sure if the listed QPQ counts because the article creator rejected my review because s/he counted me as a "major contributor" for an edit that I made which was quickly reverted (I reviewed the article in its reverted). I can get another QPQ if needed.

5x expanded by FallingGravity (talk). Self-nominated at 05:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC).

  • The hook about Roman Tmetuchl is sourced to a book published by the Roman Tmetuchl Family Trust. Since this is an incredible (possibly accurate, but still incredible) claim, we'll need a source that better meets NPOV and RS standards. Will hold on rest of review pending that. Also, as per recently pulled hooks, hookishness is subsumed by our need for accuracy so I'd recommend rewording this "a man named Hitler". (Not my personal preference but that seems to be the direction the Bully Brigade is charging this week.) LavaBaron (talk) 23:16, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
    • Comment I had a look, thinking that Hitler might just about have arranged such a thing, but couldn't possibly have done it himself - turns out it was some local man called Hitler. Hmmm... Edwardx (talk) 23:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
      • Guampedia notes the author's scholarly credentials calls the book "the first research-based biography of a Pacific island leader". As for finding another source, I found this Mother Jones article which mentions one Hitler Demei who was "a felon convicted on several assault-with-a-deadly-weapon charges" (a description which fits the attempted assassin). However, the article investigates the 1985 assassination of Haruo Remeliik and doesn't mention the attempted 1970 assassination. FallingGravity 02:33, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
        I'm unfamiliar with Guampedia. Is it RS? LavaBaron (talk) 03:25, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
        I believe so. Per its description page: "Content for the website was developed by a slew of professional writers, researchers, cultural specialists and other scholars who provided expertise for putting together information that could be accessed easily by a general audience." Other journals and books use it as a source. FallingGravity 06:01, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT1 reads as if Hitler tried the assassination after Hitler himself became a congressional senator. According to the article, Tmetuchl wasn't sworn in as a senator for several months (election in 1970; took office in late January 1971); at the time of the attempted killing he had won the popular vote for his senate seat a few days before, but was not yet a congressional senator. I've struck both hooks; I'm sure a less ambiguous and more accurate wording can be found. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:48, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that Hitler once attempted to assassinate Palauan politician Roman Tmetuchl?
  • ALT3: ... that a man named Hitler once attempted to assassinate Palauan politician Roman Tmetuchl?
    I've reworked the hooks to just include the basic facts. ALT2 is meant to catch the unsuspecting reader off guard, and ALT3 is more straight-forward. I figure the hook promoter can decide which is more appropriate, though reviewers are welcome to add their opinions like previous reviewers. FallingGravity 22:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
    Note: I have also listed this on the April Fool's DYK page for some of the more disorienting hooks. FallingGravity 02:55, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT4: ... that Hitler tried to shoot a Roman in 1970? EEng 20:46, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Full review needed, starting from scratch, including checking for all remaining ALT hooks. Please note which are appropriate for April Fool's Day and which are not. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:23, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
  • This article is new enough and long enough. The article seems neutral and I detected no copyright problems. I do not believe any of the proposed hooks is satisfactory. No charges were brought in this alleged assassination attempt and there is no inline citation for the event in any case. So I am proposing two new hooks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:13, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @FallingGravity: I will say that another QPQ needs to be done, not because of COI, but because the review was only very partial, making a comment on a hook. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:24, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
  • hook alt5 is in the article, sufficiently short, cited and confirmed. Also note that the website http://www.palauoek.net/ is no longer there. But it is confirmed by the other reference.
  • Hook ALT6 is in the article, short enough, cited, but I can't read the book to confirm. Based on Cwmhiraeth's review, this is still waiting a good QPQ. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:33, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
    • FallingGravity, you need to supply a QPQ review other than the Austin Petersen one. Please do so as soon as possible. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
      • I'm reviewing Wolfgang Hohlbein. ALT6 is rather unremarkable since English is his second language. I'm not sure how the 'Hitler assassination' hooks are missing an inline reference. FallingGravity 06:50, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Looking at what extra was done, I suppose that is half a review (I repeated it anyway), so combined with the other partial one, its good enough to be a whole review. good to go with alt5, and AGF gtg ALT6. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:53, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
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