- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 05:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
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Seagull (gamer)
edit- ... that former professional Overwatch player Brandon "Seagull" Larned was recruited to NRG Esports by Shaquille O'Neal? Source: [1], [2]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Japanese export porcelain
- Comment: Expanded from ~700 characters to ~4,800 characters between 8/27 and 8/28
5x expanded by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) and StarfishCookie (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 05:34, 28 August 2018 (UTC).
@The Squirrel Conspiracy and StarfishCookie: Is there no known information about his personal or early life? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:42, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately, neither nominator has been active over the past few weeks: TSC's last edit was two weeks ago, while other than a single edit on September 11, StarfishCookie's last activity was in August. As it is unlikely that either will be able to provide an immediate response to the article concern, add to the fact that the article feels incomplete without the issue being addressed, it is with regret that I mark this nomination for closure. If either editor returns to editing before this is closed and responds to the above comment, then the nomination may proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I didn't see anything about Seagull's early life (at least before he started gaming). I can look, but...
- 1) There's absolutely nothing in the DYK criteria that says an article has to be "complete". In fact, by focusing on new articles, there's an implicit expectation that the articles won't be perfect when they hit DYK.
- 2) There's no shortage of biography articles that are missing early life information.
- So, I don't see why you would be failing this nomination. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:19, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
- @The Squirrel Conspiracy: Please read WP:DYKSG#D7. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
- I am not sure that a biography missing information about a subject's life before he/she became notable would automatically disqualify on D7. If there is little reason to think that a subject's early life would not have received much or any coverage in reliable sources then I wouldn't a Wikipedia article lacking such information to be "incomplete." Rlendog (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- True. I just really need clarification from the nominators if 1. a search for early life information was attempted, and 2. if such information exists at least online. Once these issues are clarified the nomination can still proceed. If no early life information is known, there's nothing that can be done about that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:13, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Yes, I did perform a search for the basic bibliographic information. The only thing I came up with that isn't in the article is that he grew up in the "pacific northwest" (this is from an Overwatch League promotional video). There's several sites with his birthday, but none are reliable sources (pro player settings sites, other wikis), and there's nothing else about early childhood, even city of birth, from a any source. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
- I see. Would it be fine to at least include the Pacific Northwest mention in the article then? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Yes, I did perform a search for the basic bibliographic information. The only thing I came up with that isn't in the article is that he grew up in the "pacific northwest" (this is from an Overwatch League promotional video). There's several sites with his birthday, but none are reliable sources (pro player settings sites, other wikis), and there's nothing else about early childhood, even city of birth, from a any source. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
- True. I just really need clarification from the nominators if 1. a search for early life information was attempted, and 2. if such information exists at least online. Once these issues are clarified the nomination can still proceed. If no early life information is known, there's nothing that can be done about that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:13, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I am not sure that a biography missing information about a subject's life before he/she became notable would automatically disqualify on D7. If there is little reason to think that a subject's early life would not have received much or any coverage in reliable sources then I wouldn't a Wikipedia article lacking such information to be "incomplete." Rlendog (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- @The Squirrel Conspiracy: Please read WP:DYKSG#D7. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
This should never have been marked for closure as it did not require "considerable work before becoming eligible". Early life information is not obligatory in a biography for it to be "reasonably complete". Marking for a new review. feminist (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
- The marking for closure icon was not because of the incomplete information part (which by the way has almost been addressed), but because at the time the icon was added, neither nominator had edited in a while. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- In any event, this will need a full review, something it has not yet received. However, The Squirrel Conspiracy only has a handful of edits in the past month, and would need to be able to respond to any requests coming out of a full review. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, I'm still here. I probably won't be after this wraps up, but I'll see this through. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- In any event, this will need a full review, something it has not yet received. However, The Squirrel Conspiracy only has a handful of edits in the past month, and would need to be able to respond to any requests coming out of a full review. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- The marking for closure icon was not because of the incomplete information part (which by the way has almost been addressed), but because at the time the icon was added, neither nominator had edited in a while. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- Full review needed. Nominator will be available to handle any issues raised. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
