- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:26, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
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Soraya Syed
edit... that Soraya Syed integrates classical Islamic calligraphy with new technologies?
Created/expanded by Remonaaly (talk). Nominated by Fauzan (talk) at 16:50, 24 May 2015 (UTC).
New enough and long enough. A lot of content is unreferenced, an especially bad thing since this is a BLP. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 20:33, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Which sections specifically could do with more references? Remonaaly (talk)
- Ping Jakec --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 04:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- 2nd paragraph in "Education and training", last sentence of 3rd paragraph in "Education and training", and the 1st paragraph "Career" all have no citations. I'm also not sure that so many images of her work can fall under fair use, though I'm willing to defer to an expert on that one.. Speaking of fair use, evidence of permission should be provided for the picture of Syed herself (fair use is almost never appropriate for images of living people). --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 20:13, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Ping Jakec --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 04:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
ALT 1: ... that Soraya Syed (pictured) uses new technologies to present classical Islamic calligraphy?
- EEng, you can visit the website of the artict and look at her works to get an idea, meanwhile I have put up an alt. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 14:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Way better. Thanks. EEng (talk) 14:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Wait! EEng, isn't a hook expected to be mysterious and present something unknown that attracts the reader? --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 14:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Personally I read ALT1 and think, "Hmm... I think of calligraphy as something down with a fountain pen, or brush. I wonder what these new technologies could be?" EEng (talk) 15:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- OK, then, I too feel the same on reconsidering. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 15:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Several paragraphs still have no cites at all, per Rule D2: 2nd paragraph under "Education and training", first and last paragraphs under "Career". The hook is also too general. You could write:
- ALT2: ... that Soraya Syed (pictured), a British classically-trained Islamic calligrapher, incorporates modern technologies such as holography in her art? Yoninah (talk) 21:11, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yoninah, have a look at the article now. ALT2 looks better. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 07:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Frankly, this article is based on a lot of non-reliable sources like blogs, and it's not clear to me that she's even notable per WP:ARTIST. I went through the article and removed all the non-reliable sources. A few paragraphs now have no references again. Yoninah (talk) 01:16, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yoninah, have a look at the article now. ALT2 looks better. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 07:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- OK, then, I too feel the same on reconsidering. --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 15:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Personally I read ALT1 and think, "Hmm... I think of calligraphy as something down with a fountain pen, or brush. I wonder what these new technologies could be?" EEng (talk) 15:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Wait! EEng, isn't a hook expected to be mysterious and present something unknown that attracts the reader? --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 14:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Way better. Thanks. EEng (talk) 14:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I have undone the close because the page creator added a bunch of references on July 7. Perhaps he didn't know to inform us here at DYK. I know it because I left the page on my watchlist. I would like to re-review the nomination. Yoninah (talk) 19:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yoninah, by all means, please re-review the nomination, though someone else will have to check ALT2. If you'd like to just call for a new overall reviewer, use the red "again" icon. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
The page creator has significantly expanded and sourced the article. It now shows notability and reliable sources. All paragraphs are cited. Since I wrote the ALT2 hook, I'm calling on another reviewer to complete this nomination and choose between the shorter ALT1 and the more detailed ALT2. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
ALT2 has a nicer rhythm. Good to go, based on the previous reviews. Belle (talk) 00:26, 15 July 2015 (UTC)