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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

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Strong and stable

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5x expanded by Ritchie333 (talk), Philafrenzy (talk), and Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 15:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC).

Any ideas for hooks, anyone? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:48, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Added an ALT2, but is it stronger or weaker? Edwardx (talk) 13:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Reviewing...expanded 5X, enough sources, cited. Will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 14:45, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Regrettably I have just nominated the photo for deletion at Commons as there is no freedom of panorama for graphic works in the U.K. and it seems to go beyond simple text that is not eligible for copyright. Many of my photos of signs and graffiti have been deleted on the same grounds. Feel free to disagree with me at Commons. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:26, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

In the light that Theresa May has just announced her (possible) resignation, this DYK might be a bit politically sensitive. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:28, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

  • It wasn't before? I don't really see this DYK influencing the course of British politics. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Added Alt4 which is more even-handed? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Few points
  • Clarify the source for the lead sentence "in contrast to the "coalition of chaos"" is followed by citation [4]. I can't see this in the reference cited.
I think this was in the original stub, but I'm not sure why it's in here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:53, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Consider expanding explanation of phrase...Professor David Cutts, Professor of Political Science explains it as an example of to compress information providing helpful cues to voters therefore reducing the cost of acquiring information. Therefore the ‘strong and stable’ message whilst ridiculed for its repetitive use serves an important purpose. Firstly, it fits the heuristic short-cut narrative….[5]
Done, also put in David Cutts as a redlink as given he would appear to meet WP:PROF, he should probably have an article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:53, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Done (though I do confess that when people start discussing the finer points of detail of citation template parameters, I look outside the window and wonder if there's a patch of grass I could watch growing) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:54, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
  • In background, I think Strong and stable is phrase much older... what';s its origin?
  • ?Sir Lynton Crosby's role in keeping the phrase- this is in the Metro [8] which also links to an article [9] written by Tim Shipman.
  • Have you seen [10] by John Crace?
  • Regarding image..it fits dyk rules If there is an image, but is a reflection of one view and I agree with you that it maybe politically sensitive and not encyclopaedic for a front page but okay on article as Wikipedia:NPOV means neutral editing, not neutral content. Then I saw this [11]. Any views from others appreciated here. My view..not okay to use considering language on it.
  • I think you have done well to clarify what is opinion and what is fact, but double check it.
  • I prefer ALT4 but is 'strong and stable' a description of May or the party and can you include this hook in article with citation?
  • Any other hook recommendations? Thank you Kindly Whispyhistory (talk) 02:42, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Drive-by comment, but is there a reason why we couldn't just use a picture of May? If it's a BLP issue than I guess that's understandable, but a clarification on that end would be nice. With that said, while Wikipedia is not censored, considering Brexit negotiations is currently in the Current events section, it might be a better idea to hold this off for now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:47, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I prefer ALT2, it's more humorous. I also don't think there would be an issue using a picture of May, it is closely linked with her whatever the response. Kingsif (talk) 20:06, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
  • As cute as ALT2 might be, it's making a direct statement in Wikipedia's voice, asserting that the claim is true, which is a clear violation of the neutrality required of hooks and of BLP rules, among others. I've struck it. ALT1 is questionable, though not as blatant a problem. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:40, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
    • I'll pick this up. Date and length fine. I think that ALT4 is probably the most accurate and balanced of the hooks as it avoids the partisanship implications of some of the others. Whether this falls under the elections moratorium due to the UK local elections on the 2nd of May and potential EU elections on the 23rd, I don't know but will let the promoter decide. The picture is adequately licenced, again up to promoter to decide whether to use it. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing. Good to go. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:42, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
My view is that using the picture spoils the neutrality of the hook due to the last line. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:52, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I think the picture is unnecessary and doesn't really have much to do with the article, and could be seen as being rather POINTy. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Hence why I said I would leave it up to the promoter. I passed the photo objectively according to policy because it met the requirements. Whether they use it in the set or not is the promoter's choice. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
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