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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 10:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Suleiman of Germiyan

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  • Source:
  • Varlık, Mustafa Çetin (1974). Germiyan-oğulları tarihi (1300-1429) (in Turkish). Ankara: Sevinç Matbaası. p. 61. OCLC 6807984. Retrieved 8 January 2024.
  • Mélikoff, I. (1965). "Germiyān-Og̲h̲ullari̊̊". In Lewis, B.; Pellat, Ch. & Schacht, J. (eds.). The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition. Volume II: C–G. Leiden: E. J. Brill. OCLC 495469475.
  • Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Aintabli (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Aintabli (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC).

  • This looks an interesting article in a underrepresented field, worthy of being a DYK.
  • The article is new enough, having been promoted to GA on the same day as nomination, and long enough, with 669 words of readable prose. It is reliably sourced, free of copy violation and presentable, as confirmed by the GA review.
  • The hook is interesting and sourced. However, it is long at 190 characters, which is close to the limit for a DYK of 200 characters, with many wikilinks. I suggest reviewing this to make it more pithy and engaging, and seeking to include, at most, three wikilinks, including one to Suleiman of Germiyan.

@Aintabli: Having reviewed one of your other articles for GA, I thought it would be interesting to undertake this DYK. Plesse take a look at my comments above and ping me when you would like me to look again. simongraham (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Alt1 ...that Suleiman of Germiyan allowed the Ottoman annexation of much of his territory to pay his daughter's dowry?
@Simongraham:, I hope this is much better. Aintabli (talk) 23:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

That looks excellent. I believe this is ready to go, but would just like confirmation from a more experienced reviewer. simongraham (talk) 12:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Aintabli and Simongraham: Needs an end-of-sentence citation (and actually, spelling out the word 'annex' in the article wouldn't go amiss). Otherwise, nice work. (The GA in question simongraham refers to is Talk:Ali of Dulkadir/GA1, so his review doesn't fall foul of WP:DYKRR.)--Launchballer 15:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Thank you for the comment. I'm unsure what you meant by end-of-sentence citation, since I have already provided a source here. Sorry for the confusion. I have only a few DYK nominations, so this might be something obvious that I'm not getting at the moment. Aintabli (talk) 19:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Looking at it again, I guess you might have assumed this was a new piece of information, which is actually a shorter version of the first hook. I've added much of to the alternative hook when describing his territory that was annexed, because it sounds as if "all" of his territory was taken by the Ottomans. Otherwise, the article itself details what part of his territory was lost to the Ottomans as part of the dowry payment. Aintabli (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear.--Launchballer 14:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Okay, thank you. I have separately cited page 61 in the article, and changed the citation here to match that. (It was initially a range.) Aintabli (talk) 07:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Which is cited to a Turkish source, so AGF approve.--Launchballer 08:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: To be honest, I got a bit lazy, as this book is one of if not the most comprehensive source on the subject. But this info is also mentioned by all the other relevant sources, specifically the English-language source (Encyclopedia of Islam) found in the Wikipedia article. I have now added that ref here as well. Aintabli (talk) 10:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.
Overall: simongraham (talk) 07:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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