- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
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Tayseer Sboul
Tayseer Sboul
... that Tayseer Sboul (pictured), one of Jordan's most celebrated poets, committed suicide at the age of 34?
Created by Makeandtoss (talk). Self-nominated at 05:42, 16 February 2020 (UTC).
WP:DYKHOOK says that "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided". As such, I do not think running a hook that focuses on a suicide would be a good idea. Aoba47 (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Perhaps it's just that I'm rather new at this DYK business, Aoba47, but I don't understand how it is that what should be avoided for living individuals should also be avoided for dead ones. -- Hoary (talk) 09:43, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Aoba47: I did not consider it as negative when I chose this hook and I didn't expect anyone to view it as such. His suicide's circumstances are interesting and I avoided putting that in the hook because I wanted to keep it as concise as possible. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:52, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Makeandtoss: @Hoary: Apologies for that. I should have clarified my post further. I think that specific part of WP:DYHOOK should be applicable to dead individuals as well since it is odd to put a focus on a negative part of their lives too. I personally find it odd to put up a person's suicide as an interesting hook on a website, but that might just be me. If another reviewer disagrees, then they are more than welcome to pass this. Aoba47 (talk) 17:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- Now I see what you mean, Aoba47. And I agree, to some extent. But perhaps you could suggest a more interesting "hook". -- Hoary (talk) 22:24, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the response, and apologies again for the confusion. The article is very well-developed so I would imagine there would something else that could make a more appropriate hook. I am not experienced enough with the DYK to suggest an alternative. For me, it not the "interesting" aspect of the hook that bothers me, but the appropriateness. Again, I could be over-thinking it so I would greatly appreciate another reviewer's opinion, but suicide is a sensitive subject that has led to a lot of discussion on Wikipedia (with one example being the debate on the "committed suicide" wording). Aoba47 (talk) 22:43, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- Red Indian is a surprising title. (Or anyway it surprises me; but NB I am ignorant of Jordan.) Presumably it's explained somewhere. Could there be a DYK in that? -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- That could lead to something. I think it would be best to have a DYK about his work, and that would definitely qualify. Aoba47 (talk) 02:37, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- The article mentions in a few place how influential he was as a writer. I think that would make the best DYK as people may want to know why and how he was influential and click on the article to learn more about that. Aoba47 (talk) 02:39, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- Also, he hosted a radio program that both was popular and sounds as if it was intelligent. (And what a rare combination that is, these days!) Perhaps the program was influential, or helped jump-start the careers of some notable writers. -- Hoary (talk) 04:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- Red Indian is a surprising title. (Or anyway it surprises me; but NB I am ignorant of Jordan.) Presumably it's explained somewhere. Could there be a DYK in that? -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the response, and apologies again for the confusion. The article is very well-developed so I would imagine there would something else that could make a more appropriate hook. I am not experienced enough with the DYK to suggest an alternative. For me, it not the "interesting" aspect of the hook that bothers me, but the appropriateness. Again, I could be over-thinking it so I would greatly appreciate another reviewer's opinion, but suicide is a sensitive subject that has led to a lot of discussion on Wikipedia (with one example being the debate on the "committed suicide" wording). Aoba47 (talk) 22:43, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- Now I see what you mean, Aoba47. And I agree, to some extent. But perhaps you could suggest a more interesting "hook". -- Hoary (talk) 22:24, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Makeandtoss: @Hoary: Apologies for that. I should have clarified my post further. I think that specific part of WP:DYHOOK should be applicable to dead individuals as well since it is odd to put a focus on a negative part of their lives too. I personally find it odd to put up a person's suicide as an interesting hook on a website, but that might just be me. If another reviewer disagrees, then they are more than welcome to pass this. Aoba47 (talk) 17:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Same so I will leave this up to a qualified reviewer. Aoba47 (talk) 12:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- Alt 1: that Tayseer Sboul (pictured), one of Jordan's most celebrated writers, wrote some erotic poems?
Alt 2: that Tayseer Sboul (pictured), one of Jordan's most celebrated writers, wrote a poem on the oppression of women?- Suggested alts. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- Alt1 is better IMHO as it is more surprising for a celebrated author from an otherwise traditional country. I will review the rest shortly. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:03, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
good to go. Article is long enough, well sourced, passes earwig, hook is in policy, image has appropriate copyright tags, QPQ is done. Well done! Onceinawhile (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. I hope that I did not cause any offense with my comments. I think this is a better hook. Aoba47 (talk) 04:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote ALT1. But the article states that "Many of his poems are erotic". I would also like to know where is the cite for him being
one of Jordan's most celebrated writers
. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I changed "many" to "some". The source for being one of Jordan's most celebrated writers is from the MSUP book's introduction.Makeandtoss (talk) 13:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Makeandtoss: thank you for the wording tweak. Can you add an inline cite for the "most celebrated" part in the article? Yoninah (talk) 14:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Done. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Makeandtoss: sorry to be picky, but that source is the subject's own book and the subject's child's introduction. I would think you could cite something more scholarly. Alternately, you could add a sentence with a cite under Legacy mentioning his influence/renown. Yoninah (talk) 16:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: The content sourced is from the introduction written by Nisreen Akhtarkhavari, a writer, an associate professor, and the director of Arabic Studies at DePaul University, and not the prologue which was written by his son. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. I hope that I did not cause any offense with my comments. I think this is a better hook. Aoba47 (talk) 04:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
